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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Not all agents are crooked and money hungry scumbags.
When they see guys that could previously get a 5/$50M only getting offered 1/$5M...it tends to set off buzzers and alarms.
Suppose you had a business partner that previously bought your goods for $10...and the next time you talk to him he says I will give you $2 maximum. You wouldn't be perplexed as to why the sudden drop? You wouldn't want to know why his new $2 point is so low, when he never had any issue at the $10 level?
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04-04-2013, 09:19 AM #110iggyman555 Guest
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Who said they were crooked money hungry scumbags?
Yes, when they see guys who were previously in their prime and well under 30 getting big dollars who are now past their prime and well over 30 not getting big dollars, something must be up, like collusion!
I know if I was an agent and my client was asking me why he can't get the big dollars like X, I would be happy to tell him, "collusion", instead of, you're old, you're past your prime, your skills are diminished and you got burnt every other play last year.
That's not really not comparable, but yes, I would want to know why. It would likely be that someone else has a better product or at least a better value.
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04-04-2013, 09:42 AM #112
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Ultimately teams are required to spend a certain amount of money. If they choose to spend more on less players then how are they doing anything wrong? We've read many times that more than half the Ravens cap next season will be spent on just 7 players. The new CBA has pushed that mentality throughout the league. As long as the total remains the same it doesn't matter how it's allocated.
Now if you are an agent and you don't represent one of those 7 players you're screwed. You just took a massive hit and your client might fire you. If you are D Smith and the votes of Romo and Flacco are equal to the votes of the guys who now are on a 1 year contract you are also screwed because there are now a hell of lot more have nots than haves. Agents and Smith are going to do every possible to make themselves look good and who can blame them? What choice do they have?
The can set off all the buzzers and alarms that they want but unless the total money spent is way down it's just going to be talk.
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04-04-2013, 09:54 AM #114
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04-04-2013, 10:06 AM #116
Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
So has the average for top defensive players gone down? What is your definition of "top defensive player"? Based on what you've written, it seems to be "a guy who got a big contract five years ago", and it should be obvious that your definition is totally off base.
In a world where Kruger signs for $8 million/year, Ellerbe signs for $7 million/year, Cary Williams signs for $5.7 million/year, and Clay Matthews is on the verge of signing for $13 (!!!) million/year, you're going to have to prove that defensive player salaries are dropping more than any other non-QB position."This space for rent" - Roger Goodell
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04-04-2013, 10:07 AM #117
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
I'm just saying, I actually have done pleadings. I actually have an antitrust class. I've actually studied the antitrust suits filed against the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc.
I actually have a sports law class. I actually have talked to agents and Mark Levin from the NFLPA. I actually have a teacher that was an agent in the 80's and knows people like Tom Condon, that graduated from the University of Baltimore. I actually have Pat Moriarty coming in to speak to my class in a few weeks.
So I would appreciate a little less shit from people that haven't done those things and aren't privy to such discussions.
I created this thread because I thought weird things were happening in free agency. My suspicion is not alone.
You can believe it or not, but the fact is other people actually in the industry and not on a message board are worried.
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04-04-2013, 10:12 AM #119
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How is it restraint of trade if the totals end up the same? In fact because this is the first year of the salary cap floor teams are going have to spend more money this year than last year. How is there even a case if more money is spent?
By the way I am not trying to give you shit over this. I think it's a good conversation and it's definitely in the news. I disagree with you but I think this is a good thread.Last edited by GOTA; 04-04-2013 at 10:18 AM.
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