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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?



    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    younger VETERANS, sorry
    the biggest contracts have gone to Wallace, Kruger, Ellerbe, Harvin(trade), etc.

    Kruger and Ellerbe in particular got well more then their market would have seemed to indicate. Those two contracts seem fishy to me. Maybe the owners are colluding to overpay ex suber bowl champs. Now if I can just get Aaron Wilson to retweet this post my theory would be backed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    younger VETERANS, sorry
    the biggest contracts have gone to Wallace, Kruger, Ellerbe, Harvin(trade), etc.

    Kruger and Ellerbe in particular got well more then their market would have seemed to indicate. Those two contracts seem fishy to me. Maybe the owners are colluding to overpay ex suber bowl champs. Now if I can just get Aaron Wilson to retweet this post my theory would be backed up.
    Funny. You guys are awesome. Yet not a single fucking one of your has had the chance to talk to real people in the industry about this like I have. Tony Agnone said the same shit I am saying right to my face. you think I made all of this up? Pulling it out of my ass?

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    How many did last year? Who were they? How does the top tier of this year's defensive FA class compare to last year's?

    I know you're only in law school, but didn't you ever take a class that did regression analysis?
    Actually I also have a degree in Electrical Engineering if you want to get smart about it.

    Perhaps you would like to debase that also?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Nice try, again. They don't have anything to do with the thread. Which you started talking about collusion with no evidence whatsoever.
    They are inherently intertwined. It is OBVIOUS to anyone with a base level understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Their suspicion is no more evidence there is collusion than yours.

    You either a) read too much into this too early and are moving the goal post to save face. b) started a thread to get some experience for law school. c) playing dumb with what people are saying about your "proof" d) read too much into a claim about collusion and don't understand what we're telling you about your evidence.

    If it's "d", please post your info if you pass the bar exam so I can make sure to never hire you if I am in need of a lawyer.
    You don't even understand the foundational aspects of the discussion, so of course you have to resort to personal attacks.

    You guys are being real dicks. It's cool though. I'm gonna go to school now.

    Maybe you can talk more shit about me while I am busy learning tonight.
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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    You don't even understand the foundational aspects of the discussion, so of course you have to result to personal attacks.
    This irony here is so awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    They are inherently intertwined. It is OBVIOUS to anyone with a base level understanding.
    Says the guy who is using a tweet of a "report of concerns" as evidence.
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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Actually I also have a degree in Electrical Engineering if you want to get smart about it.

    Perhaps you would like to debase that also?
    No, it just makes me kind of sad that you have a complete lack of interest in or awareness of cause/effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    You guys are being real dicks. It's cool though. I'm gonna go to school now.

    Maybe you can talk more shit about me while I am busy learning tonight.
    Nice try. That didn't work either.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Hey bt ---

    Where are you going to law school? My wife is curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Hey bt ---

    Where are you going to law school? My wife is curious.
    Baltimore. I am sure the other guys here will now use that as some type of ammunition for why I have no clue what I am talking about.




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    Never mind. Must be UB.
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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Baltimore. I am sure the other guys here will now use that as some type of ammunition for why I have no clue what I am talking about.
    Your understanding of the applicable laws seems to be fine. It's your knowledge of the FA marketplace that's lacking.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Answer me this? What did every nfl reporter TWEET leakding up to free agency? Oh yea, its a buyers market. I suppose they were in on the collusion as well, building up a defence for the teams but tweeting that prior to. Free agency even starting?




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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Again today on Movin the Chains they were talking about the changing tide of contracts and the fact that your QB commands 25% of the cap space now. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

    Some GM with brass balls will start a trend of drafting a QB about 2-3 years before 'your guy' is due to get paid, so there is some leverage and backup plan. Think teams like Cinci where they will have to make a decision in a couple years. Otherwise the QB has all the leverage and it's going to a 25M per year average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Your understanding of the applicable laws seems to be fine. It's your knowledge of the FA marketplace that's lacking.
    agreed, and simple principles of supply/demand and budgeting for the cap, as well as how it can be a choice where an owner chooses to emphasize with his spending(young vs old, offense vs defense).

    He also has had a serious problem of constantly moving the goalposts... first it was the players colluding??? then it was owners colluding and only paying QB's and WR's, then a bit of young vs old, etc. People tweeting suspicion "backing up his suspicion" etc.


    IS he out of line by being suspicious? NO, as evidenced by Agents, etc, sure he can be suspicious. But I think when he comes here with tweets from agents that are "suspicious" and he claims that "backs him up" and is a "smoking gun" most of us think he means that his suspicio holds more value, simply because it is shared suspicion. It doesn't make it one ounce more likely that collusion is going on simply becuase other people are suspicious. It makes us think that he feels e is right to be suspicious becuase he is no longer completely alone in that suspicion.




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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    If this was just the normal free market I don't think agents would be in such a tizzy. I don't think the suspicion level would be so high if things were operating in a normal manner.
    There is the rub. This isn't really a free market, so things will never operate like one. Once there are constraints (like a salary cap) in what amounts to a monopoly (the NFL), buying and selling services in the marketplace is not going to mirror a free competitive market. Equilibrium pricing goes out the window, so the cost of labor (salaries of free agents) is going to end up being depressed by those constraints. Collusion isn't necessary for that to happen.




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    Re: Player collusion in Seattle?

    I think it's obvious here that bt is the smartest guy on this board, and is 100% correct. Just ask him, he'll tell you so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    I think it's obvious here that bt is the smartest guy on this board, and is 100% correct. Just ask him, he'll tell you so.
    I'd rather just attribute it to youthful enthusiasm. We used to have knock-down drag-outs about all kinds of topics in college, but since it was pre-Internet, it wasn't quite as public.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    I'd rather just attribute it to youthful enthusiasm. We used to have knock-down drag-outs about all kinds of topics in college, but since it was pre-Internet, it wasn't quite as public.
    After reading this thread, my wife agrees with you.
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