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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?



    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    Yes, I agree with this thinking, build up a strong DL and have speed in back of it.......
    Yeah I think we are going Giantesque with the Canty pick up. I think we will see much more 4 man fronts




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by conviction View Post
    Yeah I think we are going Giantesque with the Canty pick up. I think we will see much more 4 man fronts
    FYI, we show a lot of 4 man fronts, and in certain games, we play nearly every snap with 4 man fronts (in almost every Patriot game, we barely ever go into a 3-4 base defense).

    The Ravens defense is as complex and hybrid as they come, which is why younger players have typically struggled early on playing in it.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Im actually excited to see how this all plays out...perhaps a younger faster version of defense....I just hope they dont abandon the Ravens D swagger that we all have come to expect. I love it when other teams fear our D (or at least when they did) Dont abandon your roots Ravens




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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    Yes, I agree with this thinking, build up a strong DL and have speed in back of it.......
    I was going to mention this very thing.
    My most frequently used game day f-bomb last year was... "Man. Our defense is so f-in SLOW!"
    It was literally laughable to me at points.
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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    A Ngata, Canty and Jones front is gonna be the best we've had in recent years. Suggs and Ngata should be healthier, we will get back Webb at some point, Jimmy looks to be turning the corner and if TL's sources are correct(certaintly looks so)the Ravens want to get younger and faster on defense. I think the way the game has evolved it's certaintly the right thing to do. Now it's time to execute the plan and mix the right coompliment of holdovers, ascending young guys, draft picks and maybe another bargain FA or 2. Im excited about it.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    No doubt the defense was aging in in need of a makeover up the middle.

    With 12 draft picks, now is the time for it.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    FYI, we show a lot of 4 man fronts, and in certain games, we play nearly every snap with 4 man fronts (in almost every Patriot game, we barely ever go into a 3-4 base defense).

    The Ravens defense is as complex and hybrid as they come, which is why younger players have typically struggled early on playing in it.
    Did we ever run Upshaw as DE on front 4 looks?

    I was thinking potentially
    4-3
    Suggs - Ngata - Jones - Canty

    Nickel
    Suggs - Ngata - Canty - Hamilton/Macadoo/Upshaw/Draft pick/Mchphee

    I think someone in house will take care if as a pass rush so a high draft pick isn't necessary. I also think Canty's versatility is a huge benefactor. We could keep him at end and throw McPhee inside. The pass rush potential is great with good run support. Our replacement linebackers just need to play clean up with that dline lol




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    No doubt the defense was aging in in need of a makeover up the middle.

    With 12 draft picks, now is the time for it.


    All season people were on here complaining about the D and with good reason at times. Yes they put it together for a playoff run but that is not a great indicator of continued success if they brought everyone back. In essence the Ravens lost 3 overpriced free agents (Kruger/Ellerbe/Reed) and a safety whose strengths no longer match what this team needs. Losing Ray was tough but it was time and out of the control of Ozzie of course.

    12 picks in this draft. Likely several good comp picks in the next to address whatever does not work out in this draft. I feel good that in a couple years we will have a young, strong defense to compliment the franchise QB we have and developing offense.
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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by conviction View Post
    Did we ever run Upshaw as DE on front 4 looks?

    I was thinking potentially
    4-3
    Suggs - Ngata - Jones - Canty

    Nickel
    Suggs - Ngata - Canty - Hamilton/Macadoo/Upshaw/Draft pick/Mchphee

    I think someone in house will take care if as a pass rush so a high draft pick isn't necessary. I also think Canty's versatility is a huge benefactor. We could keep him at end and throw McPhee inside. The pass rush potential is great with good run support. Our replacement linebackers just need to play clean up with that dline lol
    Upshaw would be a good 4-3 left end that specializes in bullrush and stopping the run, but that would be for a 4-3 based defense like the Seahawks (who typically like power ends on the left side). We aren't going to go to a full time 4-3 base like that because we are still more of a 3-4 team but use a lot of 4-3 concepts at the same time.

    I think the Dline will look more along the lines of this.

    Base 3-4 formation:

    Suggs-Canty/Ngata-Ngata/Cody-Jones/Canty-Upshaw (Depending on whether not they want to move Ngata inside to NT more often)

    Nickel defense:

    Suggs-Canty-Ngata/McPhee-????

    The "???" would represent what Kruger's role in this defense was. Right now, I don't see a player who can be our fulltime left nickel rusher which is what Kruger mainly was. You can say Hamilton could possibly take that role over, but the likelihood is, that he isn't ready for that. We will probably either sign a vet to play there, or draft somebody to fill that role. There is the chance that Upshaw could really improve his pass rush ability over the offseason, but to me, he looks like a slightly more athletic version of Jarrett Johnson (nothing much wrong with that).

    We normally use the nickel defense the majority of the time when we play the likes of Denver or New England, where as, as you seen in the SB, we go into our base 3-4 against the likes of the 49ers who are a run first team.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Breaking down our defense:

    S: Thompson, Ihedigbo
    - Completely depends on if Reed comes back or not. If he doesn't we'll need at least two additions via draft or FA. Kerry Rhodes would be a great stop gap.

    CB: Webb, Smith, Graham, Brown, Jackson
    - Getting Webb back will be huge for the defense; however, we are not completely sure how quickly he will be back to 100%. A late draft pick or cheap vet option may be used to ensure more depth. Antoine Cason could be a guy to kick the tires on if he comes cheap.

    ILB: McClain, McClellan, Carr, Bynes
    - At least two additions will be needed. I expect a somewhat high draft pick to be spent on this position, as well as a decent FA. Rolando McClain if cut could be a great option.

    OLB: Suggs, Upshaw, Hamilton, McAdoo
    - The fact that we have two returning starters is a plus. We will need depth behind them, and I can see at least two additions via draft or FA.

    DE: Ngata, Canty, McPhee, Tyson
    - This is probably our deepest position besides CB. We should be fine going into the season with our current DE's.

    NT: Cody
    - Ozzie said we need to beef up the middle of our defense in the draft. At least one addition in the draft will be towards a NT/DT. I can also see Oz bringing in a cheap vet for competiton or depth. Alan Branch could be a solid addition through FA.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

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    All season people were on here complaining about the D and with good reason at times. Yes they put it together for a playoff run but that is not a great indicator of continued success if they brought everyone back. In essence the Ravens lost 3 overpriced free agents (Kruger/Ellerbe/Reed) and a safety whose strengths no longer match what this team needs. Losing Ray was tough but it was time and out of the control of Ozzie of course.

    12 picks in this draft. Likely several good comp picks in the next to address whatever does not work out in this draft. I feel good that in a couple years we will have a young, strong defense to compliment the franchise QB we have and developing offense.
    We got all we could out of Ray in 17 seasons. Best to him and we'll see him in 5 years as a sure 1st ballot HOFer.

    I'll say the same for Reed, although it will be one or 2 years later. I hope he doesn't hurt himself in Texas.

    Ellerbe and Kruger deserve to be playing in the NFL. While they could prove to be worth the big money they signed for, outside or Miami or Cleveland not many people agree with that. Most importantly the Ravens FO didn't see them as being that valuable.

    With a lot of skill and maybe a little luck, we'll fill those holes while getting younger and faster. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Experts opinion that we have a top notch FO that excels at finding talent. I agree with that. Surprisingly, many question and are critical of continued success.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Adding to the good post by Iscull, here's what I'd do.

    S: Sign Kenny Phillips to play FS, and let Ihedigbo and Thompson compete for the starting SS job. Omar Bown will play as the back up FS. Use a 4th round pick on Mathieu (hopefully that's where he'll end up being).

    CB: After drafting Mathieu who can play both nickel corner, and free safety, use a 5th round pick on Tharold Simon out of LSU.

    ILB: Draft whoever falls to 62 at ILB, that could be Arthur Brown, Kevin Minter, Alec Ogletree (very unlikely he falls this far), Khaseen Greene, Manti Te'o (I'd say unlikely that he falls here, but you never know), and a few others. I'm kind of hoping its Greene or Brown as they would be perfect fits for todays game at LB.

    OLB: I'd probably try and get Brandon Jenkins out of FSU in the 3rd round to play as the nickel DE/OLB.

    DE: Nothing needed here

    NT: If Tavon Austin, a legit OT high on the Ravens board, or a an elite defensive prospect isn't sitting at 32, trade back and take Jesse Williams to compete with Cody.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    To be honest, this team has been known for years for it's defense. It netted a Superbowl in a different era of playing in 2000. Ironically, the year that the defense was at it's most inconsistent as far as ranking is the year we win it all. With the rule changes in the NFL, a great defense with names on top of names just isn't required to win it all anymore. So they are going with a serviceable defense and riding the offense. '

    Listen, in an interview yesterday, Chris Canty was asked why come here when we are losing all of these defensive players? His answer was because you have a QB and with that, every year you have a chance. A defensive guy named a QB as his biggest reason for coming. That should show you something from a player's perspective.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Well said fellas, and this is why I love it here. Great points, And interesting Pick ups. I love The Canty signing to start with, Good vet with a great price. Harbs and Flacco will lead this team. It's time to build the D over. After the Superbowl win, it just seem now is the time. The heart and soul of the D has gone. So sweep the floor and polish it with two draft classes. True we was getting slower, so I'm looking forward to having a Offense in Baltimore, finally, and the D being rebuild to put the fear back in the D.
    I'm for Harrison coming here, as long as he hit Ben full speed. I also like the LB from the jags, Smith.
    But boys here has turned me on to picks like Greene and Brown. I really like Brown to be a Raven.
    This should be fun, and I'm excited to get younger and faster on D. We so need it.

    And I would cut Cody.




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    Re: Why is everyone up in arms about rebuilding the defense?

    Anybody think they might be shopping Suggs or Ngata for draft picks? They seem to be in full rebuild mode.




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