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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday



    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    They've been doing that for past 4 years...Kindle and Cody didn't work out well, but Upshaw, Pierce, KO, Gradkowski, Webb, Pitta, Dickson...those are all "Harbaugh guys" and have nice roles on this team.


    I'm not attacking you here, but do you think Ozzie's even in the war room this year? I'm guessing it'll just be Steve B, Harbaugh...and maybe Dick Cass, the slimy little weasel at Steve B's side? Also Chad Steele...because he's always trying to get his face into everything.

    Who's Steve B? Ozzie will be on South Beach with Pollard, or um, Ellerbe. Maybe both by tomorrow.




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by EternalRavensDefense View Post
    That doesn't make any sense. The Ravens are not going to come out and start telling their fans in the second days of free agency about what they are doing and why they are doing this. Have you ever heard any other teams do that before. Are the Patriots going to come out and say why they didn't offer Welker the deal he got from Denver.

    Should the Ravens come out and tell people why they allowed guys like Bart Scott, Hartwell, Jason Brown, Mason, Heap, Gregg, Gaither, Josh Wilson, Jim Leonhard etc. to go in free agency before when fans were going crazy over not signing those guys. It was the exact same thing going on back then with players leaving and the front office waiting to sign players.
    Bart Scott wanted to be paid like the star he thought he was. We TRIED to keep him (which is why it's mind boggling that people keep saying we 'cut' him) but weren't willing to give him the amount of years to money that New York could.

    Edgerton Hartwell was a mediocre linebacker we kept until his rookie contract was up and let him go. Not sure he's on a Boldin or even an Ellerbe level.

    Jason Brown is the same story as Scott. He wanted a shit load of money the Ravens didn't (and shouldn't) have paid.

    Mason was a cut EVERYONE, including Mason, knew was coming period. The wheels were falling off and NOBODY who actually paid attention to the Ravens at all was shocked by it. Same thing goes for Heap, Greg, Gaither and Kruger. Ellerbe? All signs pointed to us clearing cap space for him and resigning him seeing as how we don't have anyone of true starting caliber behind him. Sorry, none of those are on a level of Boldin or Pollard or Ellerbe cut or being traded or signing with another team.

    Your argument is correct in that the Ravens don't HAVE to come out and say anything; that doesn't take away from the fact that it'd be super awesome if they did.




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Who's Steve B? Ozzie will be on South Beach with Pollard, or um, Ellerbe. Maybe both by tomorrow.
    HAHAHA, yeah. Heck, Steve Bisciotti won't be there, because John Harbaugh will have worked out a deal with Dick Cass so that Bisciotti is basically powerless as the owner, and Cass and Harbaugh will become the new power couple, running the Ravens into the ground, in a long con to convince Miami to buy the whole team and move it to Miami as a 2nd team.

    Have we not seen this in the movies before????
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    Call me a Special Teams coach again. I dare you! I double dare you, MFer!




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by rlh445 View Post
    Bart Scott wanted to be paid like the star he thought he was. We TRIED to keep him (which is why it's mind boggling that people keep saying we 'cut' him) but weren't willing to give him the amount of years to money that New York could.

    Edgerton Hartwell was a mediocre linebacker we kept until his rookie contract was up and let him go. Not sure he's on a Boldin or even an Ellerbe level.

    Jason Brown is the same story as Scott. He wanted a shit load of money the Ravens didn't (and shouldn't) have paid.

    Mason was a cut EVERYONE, including Mason, knew was coming period. The wheels were falling off and NOBODY who actually paid attention to the Ravens at all was shocked by it. Same thing goes for Heap, Greg, Gaither and Kruger. Ellerbe? All signs pointed to us clearing cap space for him and resigning him seeing as how we don't have anyone of true starting caliber behind him. Sorry, none of those are on a level of Boldin or Pollard or Ellerbe cut or being traded or signing with another team.

    Your argument is correct in that the Ravens don't HAVE to come out and say anything; that doesn't take away from the fact that it'd be super awesome if they did.
    and again, the Ravens did not comment on ANY of these moves after they were done. Let's toss Brown, Scott, Hartwell out, since those were simple FA losses. When we cut Gregg, Heap, McGahee, Mason...i don't recall a PC to announce all those moves. They were just done and that was that.
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    Call me a Special Teams coach again. I dare you! I double dare you, MFer!




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Yea, it reminds me of the Bert Reynolds movie Semi Tough - must see if you haven't - when he's walking down the beach with the girl in the wedding dress in the end after Bert's best friend just stood her up at their wedding. Great stuff.




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    I just watched the Superbowl video and during the AFC Championship Game they had Reed miced up on the bench talking about the o-line. He was saying, "This line is invincible! This is the line we have been talking about all year!"

    Obviously the mutiny was about more than pads. Harbaugh was far too stubborn on Cam and McKinnie. Eventually Bisciotti stepped in and saved our season.




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Eventually Bisciotti stepped in and saved our season.
    Do you have a link or is this just more bullshit speculation morphed into urban legend?




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Do you have a link or is this just more bullshit speculation morphed into urban legend?
    This gels with my story...Bisciotti saves the season and foils Harbaugh and Cass' plan. So now, Harbaugh and Cass make a power play to handcuff Ozzie and paint Bisciotti into a corner, thus establishing themselves as the ultimate power in this universe.

    Again, we saw this in the movies!

    Major League 1 - Harbaugh and Cass are the woman owner, but Bisciotti and Caldwell both play the Lou Brown role.

    2013 is Major League 2 - All the guys get full of themselves, allowing Cassbaugh to re-enter the picture and institute their evil plan
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    “When I think of a Baltimore Raven - we go in there, we take your lunch box, we take your sandwich, we take your juice box, we take your applesauce, and we take your spork and we break it. And we leave you with an empty lunch. That’s the Baltimore Raven way.” - Steve Smith Sr.


    Call me a Special Teams coach again. I dare you! I double dare you, MFer!




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Do you have a link or is this just more bullshit speculation morphed into urban legend?
    It doesn't even make sense. If Bisciotti thinks Harbaugh is too incompetent to fire his own coaches why not just fire him too?




  10. Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by rlh445 View Post
    Bart Scott wanted to be paid like the star he thought he was. We TRIED to keep him (which is why it's mind boggling that people keep saying we 'cut' him) but weren't willing to give him the amount of years to money that New York could.

    Edgerton Hartwell was a mediocre linebacker we kept until his rookie contract was up and let him go. Not sure he's on a Boldin or even an Ellerbe level.

    Jason Brown is the same story as Scott. He wanted a shit load of money the Ravens didn't (and shouldn't) have paid.

    Mason was a cut EVERYONE, including Mason, knew was coming period. The wheels were falling off and NOBODY who actually paid attention to the Ravens at all was shocked by it. Same thing goes for Heap, Greg, Gaither and Kruger. Ellerbe? All signs pointed to us clearing cap space for him and resigning him seeing as how we don't have anyone of true starting caliber behind him. Sorry, none of those are on a level of Boldin or Pollard or Ellerbe cut or being traded or signing with another team.

    Your argument is correct in that the Ravens don't HAVE to come out and say anything; that doesn't take away from the fact that it'd be super awesome if they did.
    Actually, the Ravens didn't really value Ellerbe that highly considering they only offered him a contract worth about 4.5m a year. Ellerbe himself said that the Ravens offered him the lowest amount of money out of any suitors and that they hadn't reach any progress.

    The Ravens were not going to clear cap space to overpay Ellerbe. They gave him a modest offer that they could already afford even if they didn't cut Boldin.

    Beside, how are guys like Bart Scott and Jason Brown leaving not on the same level as Pollard or Ellerbe being gone. When Bart Scott left, he was a guy who had played two full season as a starter and had made the pro bowl in 2006. When he left, the Ravens had guys like a rookie Dannell Ellerbe, Tavares Gooden, Jason Philips, and a 33 year old Ray Lewis. Nobody felt comfortable having such a depleted inside linebackers corps and many felt Ozzie made the wrong move in not giving more money to Scott to stay.

    Also, Jason Brown was widely regarded as one of the best offensive linesman in football due to his play at Guard and Center over the past two years in 2007 and 2008. He was a far bigger lost than Pollard based on the position he played and how good he was.

    I am not worried about losing Ellerbe considering he was an UDFA that the Ravens picked up and made good like a bunch of other players throughout their careers. Also, Pollard was a guy that most Ravens fans didn't even want due to how horrible he was with the Texans and Chiefs. The Ravens were able to put him into position and hide his weaknesses thank to Ed Reed. Now that Reed is mostly likely gone, Pollard is a guy who the Ravens probably see as not being reliable in the secondary. After all, if you watch the Behind the Bench conservation, you notice that Pollard is always talking about how he was in the wrong position or not covering the proper assignment. The guy was a great hitter and player for us, but his style of play is becoming obsolete and the Ravens will likely picked up someone else just like they found Pollard.




  11. Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    I just watched the Superbowl video and during the AFC Championship Game they had Reed miced up on the bench talking about the o-line. He was saying, "This line is invincible! This is the line we have been talking about all year!"

    Obviously the mutiny was about more than pads. Harbaugh was far too stubborn on Cam and McKinnie. Eventually Bisciotti stepped in and saved our season.
    You do know that Bryant Mckinnie has already admitted in interviews that he didn't exercise or try hard in the offseason and practice because he felt that he wouldn't get the job. He was being lazy and unproductive just like in Minnesota which is why Vikings fans hated him. He went to Harbaugh to ask him how he could get the job back and Harbaugh told him to practice better. He did and he became the starter. That all there is to it. It isn't some kind of conspiracy or Harbaugh intentionally keeping the man down.

    Beside, you do know that the Ravens turnaround started without Mckinnie with Jah Reid in at Guard when they scored 33 points on the Giants. It wasn't Mckinnie who was personally responsible for everything turning around.

    But, if it make you feel better to act like Harbaugh is really a secret mastermind trying to bring the team down through his doghouse and actions, then you can believe that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalRavensDefense View Post
    Actually, the Ravens didn't really value Ellerbe that highly considering they only offered him a contract worth about 4.5m a year. Ellerbe himself said that the Ravens offered him the lowest amount of money out of any suitors and that they hadn't reach any progress.

    The Ravens were not going to clear cap space to overpay Ellerbe. They gave him a modest offer that they could already afford even if they didn't cut Boldin.

    Beside, how are guys like Bart Scott and Jason Brown leaving not on the same level as Pollard or Ellerbe being gone. When Bart Scott left, he was a guy who had played two full season as a starter and had made the pro bowl in 2006. When he left, the Ravens had guys like a rookie Dannell Ellerbe, Tavares Gooden, Jason Philips, and a 33 year old Ray Lewis. Nobody felt comfortable having such a depleted inside linebackers corps and many felt Ozzie made the wrong move in not giving more money to Scott to stay.

    Also, Jason Brown was widely regarded as one of the best offensive linesman in football due to his play at Guard and Center over the past two years in 2007 and 2008. He was a far bigger lost than Pollard based on the position he played and how good he was.

    I am not worried about losing Ellerbe considering he was an UDFA that the Ravens picked up and made good like a bunch of other players throughout their careers. Also, Pollard was a guy that most Ravens fans didn't even want due to how horrible he was with the Texans and Chiefs. The Ravens were able to put him into position and hide his weaknesses thank to Ed Reed. Now that Reed is mostly likely gone, Pollard is a guy who the Ravens probably see as not being reliable in the secondary. After all, if you watch the Behind the Bench conservation, you notice that Pollard is always talking about how he was in the wrong position or not covering the proper assignment. The guy was a great hitter and player for us, but his style of play is becoming obsolete and the Ravens will likely picked up someone else just like they found Pollard.
    Please stop with the facts - this is a conspiracy theory thread. Don't you know that none of what you wrote matters when a poster claims to have a 2nd cousin who used to play little-league with Biscotti's brother, and therefore that poster has all the skinny on the "real" inner workings of the Ravens front office?




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    More and more of me is starting to believe the Ravens dont want reed back. if it would only take 4-5M to sign him and the Ravens wanted him back he would be signed already. we have 10-12 in cap space and will use it on younger players who can play longer not for 1-2 years. we will sign players like we did with canty who can play for 3+ years at a good price and high level. I totally see a Huff or another safety coming here. There are quite a few out there same with ILB. we can sign a stop gap ILB and sign a young safety and draft another. we also have solid depth at OLB and CB and now DL. Boldin was gone and we all knew it so i dont know why we are all complaining. He is not worth 7M. had he been cut, he would be getting 5 at most. the Ravens did him a favor, they did not have to trade him to a contender.

    We also have 12 draft picks this year and will also have at least 11 next year unless we trade some away and I expect a 3rd and a 4th or 2 4ths next year for Elerbie/Kruger and possibly another high comp pick for C williams and a 5th, 6th for reed. Look for a few trade ups in this draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. and possibly the first.




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    Re: Ravens may not want Ed Reed back, visiting Texans on Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Get this. Pollard was the player rep that the players elected. He did a lot of talking in the locker room. Some of it was good. Some of it was bad but his release has nothing to do with cap space.
    I can't recall any trash talking or immature comments from Bernard Pollard. He was probably the most articulate and well spoken member of the team. Just compare him to Suggs!

    Every year the Baltimore local media elect a "media good guy", the player they feel make himself available and was helpful to them. Pollard won that in 2011 and was grateful for it and thanked them all.

    The prize was a pair of jocks, a subtle hint from the journalists to get dressed as he had a habit of doing lockerroom interviews naked.
    Must be a ridiculously confident man!

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Don't forget, Foxworth was the last player rep who was released as soon as the lockout was over. He even predicted it.
    Heap, Mason and Carr were the player reps back then
    I remember this as Chris Carr did a video interview about his legal internship at a Baltimore firm (Legg Mason?).

    Foxworth was on the executive committee so he was a step above

    Matt Birk became one of the player reps after the trio left.
    There isn't one player rep, there are three on every team




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