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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million



    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Of course they knew. That's not the issue. They got greedy. They liked the idea of getting a 6th round pick for a guy they were going to cut. As long as it didn't screw up any potential signings yesterday it's not a big deal. No way to know though if it did.

    It's like last year when they were stuck on the opening day of free agency because of Rice's franchise tag. Eventually they got their cap space but it limited what they could do when the market was full of free agents.
    Who should they have signed yesterday that they didn't?

    As I said, if they thought that having that money immediately was more important they would have cut him instead of traded him. Looking at the transactions yesterday I can't see anyone whom I think they would have signed at the price they eventually went for.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Of course they knew. That's not the issue. They got greedy. They liked the idea of getting a 6th round pick for a guy they were going to cut. As long as it didn't screw up any potential signings yesterday it's not a big deal. No way to know though if it did.
    Ehhh...I don't know...I think getting him out of the AFC was almost worth as much as getting the 6th round pick. And another angle that I don't think was reported at all: The Ravens actually did right by Boldin in that they guaranteed his salary of $6M. Had he been cut, I don't think he would have made nearly that much with his new deal. And if they went to his agent beforehand and let them sign-off on the trade, even better in terms of doing right by the player.




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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    We are well enough under the cap even with Boldin's lingering $. I doubt it made any difference in our activity. We hardly ever make big splashes on day 1.

    In fact we made a totally typical move of signing a quality veteran at value dollars.
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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    Who should they have signed yesterday that they didn't?

    As I said, if they thought that having that money immediately was more important they would have cut him instead of traded him. Looking at the transactions yesterday I can't see anyone whom I think they would have signed at the price they eventually went for.
    There is no way to know. It's just yesterday. It's today and every other day until Boldin takes that physical and gets off our books.
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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    No need to rush, there are still players out there that have yet to be released.




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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    There is no way to know. It's just yesterday. It's today and every other day until Boldin takes that physical and gets off our books.
    I'd imagine if there was someone out there they really wanted to sign they'd just cut him in order to make that move.

    But knowing the Ravens FA history... I would expect them to use 10 million on one guy.
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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Of course they knew. That's not the issue. They got greedy. They liked the idea of getting a 6th round pick for a guy they were going to cut. As long as it didn't screw up any potential signings yesterday it's not a big deal. No way to know though if it did.

    It's like last year when they were stuck on the opening day of free agency because of Rice's franchise tag. Eventually they got their cap space but it limited what they could do when the market was full of free agents.
    Yesterday was only the START of free agency. There is no FA on earth who's going to say "Well Ravens, you weren't ready to sign me on day one, so I'm not going to wait around 2 more days to see if I can generate a bidding war, so I'm just going to take the first thing that walked through the door."

    The Day One deals are the ones where the FA's have spent the past two months already surveying the field and figuring out where the most money / best offers were going to come from. Boldin has always been on the "likely cap casualty list" so it's not a big surprise that his cap number is being moved off the books. FA's have been talking to the Ravens with that in mind. The only thing this would affect is the date the ink dries on the paper, not the opportunity cost of some jittery free agent who was totally going to sign with the Ravens, but couldn't hold his water when he heard Boldin's cap # hadn't cleared and got afraid that no one would sign him if he didn't take some other team's day one offer.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What player is going to take himself off the market based on the results of Boldin's physical? If Boldin doesn't pass it then the deal in principal is off and that guy might have cost himself money from another team. No one would agree to that.
    If Boldin fails the physical I'm sure he will be cut.

    There is no way at this point that Boldin will be forced to stay on the roster.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Generally day one signings are the highest offers. Unsigned veterans who remain free agents for a while are happy to accept less the longer they sit out there.




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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    If Boldin fails the physical I'm sure he will be cut.

    There is no way at this point that Boldin will be forced to stay on the roster.
    I'm sure Boldin would be cut too but if I'm a free agent I'm not agreeing to a handshake deal that takes me out of the market waiting to see what happens. I'd do a check with me deal with Ozzie while I'm talking to other teams trying to get my price.
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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    I don't see what is the big deal about that draft pick. It is the 49ers 6th round pick, which is the next to last regular pick in the 6th round. Really, what is the difference between that pick and an UFA anyway. Now, if the Ravens are not going to need that cap room right away, then fine. However, if it costs them a chance get a player they want through FA or a trade, then it is a stupid move.




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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I'm sure Boldin would be cut too but if I'm a free agent I'm not agreeing to a handshake deal that takes me out of the market waiting to see what happens. I'd do a check with me deal with Ozzie while I'm talking to other teams trying to get my price.
    The free agent would have to wait what...30 minutes for the cut to go through?

    If Ozzie really wanted a guy and it was a problem to wait, Ozzie could fax the paperwork to cut Boldin into the league any time he'd want.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    The free agent would have to wait what...30 minutes for the cut to go through?

    If Ozzie really wanted a guy and it was a problem to wait, Ozzie could fax the paperwork to cut Boldin into the league any time he'd want.
    If the player agreed today he would have to wait until Q takes the physical 4 or 5 days from now and then for the results. That means they have nothing in writing with the Ravens for a week. What if the Ravens change their minds during that time and the player lost other opportunities? Every agent is going to tell their client to keep looking for better deals. They aren't going to commit to the Ravens based on their word that they will have a deal once this is resolved. Business doesn't work that way.
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    Re: Boldin is Still Counting Against the Ravens Cap for $7.5 Million

    It's been a week. Anyone heard when the Boldin trade is due to be finalized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    It's been a week. Anyone heard when the Boldin trade is due to be finalized?
    I read somewhere that he's expected to take his physical early this week (I guess today or tomorrow) which will finalize the trade.




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