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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?



    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    So, according to you he's not as good as Webb (coming off a 2nd season ending injury), Corey Graham (who I like a lot), and Jimmy Smith (who has yet to live up to his 1st round draft status)... Bc
    Yep, pretty much
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven View Post
    Yep, pretty much
    Then we're on the same page...LOL... Bc




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    I say he get's about $4yr/$30mil. Similar to what the Ravens paid Foxworth, slightly higher...and he'll be overpaid just as Fox was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Then we're on the same page...LOL... Bc
    Haha
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    There are a lot more corners on the market than anyone expected. It's going to be interesting to see how much a team is willing to pay for Williams with all these other guys out there. He will absolutely get a lot of looks but will they pay him the big bucks over Sean Smith, DRC and Chris Gamble? I can't remember ever seeing this many good corners available.
    Agreed. Per economics, an increase in supply decreases the equilibrium price.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    I think that Cary Williams will be paid like what a #1 CB would have gotten a couple of years ago. He clearly has his flaws and calling him even a #2 CB is generous, but he's the kind of signing I could see for teams that have a lot of cap space and need to stay 2013-2016 cap floor compliant. There's no reason for us to compete against teams in those situations.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    I wonder how much his perceived emotional makeup will impact interest in him. There were two things I saw this year that concerned me from that standpoint.

    One was on the Ravens 'Behind the Bench' series. I can't remember which game (Washington maybe?) but Ray was trying nicely to explain to him how he screwed up. And instead of saying, "Yes sir, Mr. Lewis, I'll try to do better next time" he was yelling at Ray about how it wasn't his fault. He doesn't strike me as a guy who takes coaching well.

    The other thing, which was completely unforgivable, was shoving a ref in the Super Bowl. Biggest game of his life, and he could have -- SHOULD have -- cost us the game with that bonehead move. There are absolutely no excuses for that. He should have been tossed, and we are lucky we seemed to have the most laid back officiating crew in NFL history working that game. As close as the game turned out, I think there is at least a 50/50 chance that him getting tossed would have led to a different outcome of the game.

    To be fair, I don't know Cary, and maybe these two incidents are not indicative of who he as a man. I'll leave it to the people who do know him to do that evaluation. But word gets around in this league, and with so many CB's on the market, it wouldn't surprise me if his value dropped due to these types of perceptions.
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Hes older, but Id say he gets a 4/25-30 pretty easy. He was our #1 this year and even last year He always played the outside, and well enough to be a starter on just about any team. The thing id look for with him is guaranteed since he is a bit older at 28. I highly doubt some team doesnt at least offer him more than the 3/15 we did. I think he was one of the more underrated players on defense this year.
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    All of sudden there are a lot of good quality corners getting cut/released. Cary will have some competition for sure but there's no doubt he will more than the 3 yr/15M contract he declined from the Ravens.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    It's definitely going to be interesting to see how this plays out for Cary. For awhile now, I've been thinking that he was simply going to be too costly for the Ravens to retain, but I'm now wondering if that's true.

    Now, it may very well be that the Ravens still won't retain him, but I'm now thinking that it won't be because he is overly pricey.
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    It's definitely going to be interesting to see how this plays out for Cary. For awhile now, I've been thinking that he was simply going to be too costly for the Ravens to retain, but I'm now wondering if that's true.

    Now, it may very well be that the Ravens still won't retain him, but I'm now thinking that it won't be because he is overly pricey.
    Yes, that's what I was trying to get at, that he may not be able to do much better than what the Ravens offered a year ago -- in which case he could end up deciding better to stay in Baltimore.

    But you also ask another good question: will the Ravens still feel they need him even if he was willing to come back for what they offered last year?

    When they made that offer they didn't know how much value they had in Cory Graham, and they didn't know if Jimmy Smith would pan out; after recovering from the sports hernia I think he was starting to play well in the playoffs. Chykie Brown proved he can probably be a decent back up and he plays special teams. In other words, the market for corners may be down, but also, the need for Cary in Baltimore may also be reduced.

    On the flip side, I think he played fairly well. I don't agree with the earlier comments that he was their fourth best corner. I'd but him as their second best corner last year behind Webb. Cory Graham is more of a nickle guy and I don't think you can put him on the island and ask him to do what Cary Williams did for the team. Given Webb's injuries, and Reed's potential departure, I end up thinking that there is still a role for Cary on the team if the money is right.

    Of course, the money question won't simply be answered by waiting to see how depressed the corner market is. It also will depend on how much Ellerbe will be able to suck out of them.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    I thought it was worth updating the thread by noting that since I first posted this, Asomugha was officially released, as was DeAngelo Hall, and Antoine Winfield. So there are three more big names out there looking for cornerback jobs. Winfield is 36, but can still play, particularly against the run. (Actually, wouldn't mind seeing him in Baltimore as a cheap rotational guy and a veteran leader/coach on the field). And Revis and/or Cromartie seem to be in limbo, too.

    The point being that teams seem to be dumping well-paid corners, and I assume they will be looking for cheaper guys to step in. I'm sure Cary is on the list as one of those cheaper alternatives.

    Can't wait to see what kind of contracts all these guys get, particularly Cary.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I thought it was worth updating the thread by noting that since I first posted this, Asomugha was officially released, as was DeAngelo Hall, and Antoine Winfield. So there are three more big names out there looking for cornerback jobs. Winfield is 36, but can still play, particularly against the run. (Actually, wouldn't mind seeing him in Baltimore as a cheap rotational guy and a veteran leader/coach on the field). And Revis and/or Cromartie seem to be in limbo, too.

    The point being that teams seem to be dumping well-paid corners, and I assume they will be looking for cheaper guys to step in. I'm sure Cary is on the list as one of those cheaper alternatives.

    Can't wait to see what kind of contracts all these guys get, particularly Cary.
    Yes, I would like to see Winfield here too, in the slot maybe, with Graham and Smith at the corners...while Webb gets himself back up to speed. It lessens the need for Webb to hurry up.
    And it would give a legit boost to the veteran leadership.




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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    But you also ask another good question: will the Ravens still feel they need him even if he was willing to come back for what they offered last year?
    With Webb, Smith and Graham in place, I would expect the answer to be no, but if his price tag becomes more plummets, they might become interested in bringing him back.

    Heck, he may have to end up excepting a 1-year deal somewhere, with hopes of playing well and hitting (what would likely be) a less crowded market. Not sure that would be here though because he'd probably want to go to a place he could be assured of starting.
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    Re: What is the market for Cary Williams?

    the 28 year old #1 outside corner on the Super Bowl champs isn't going to be able to beat $5 million per on the open market?? I don't know.

    He had a bad game against the Broncos, and gave up a bunch of outs and curls to Brandon Lloyd (Ravens won that game anyway). Rarely beaten deep, great tackler, tall, physical, and willing to mix it up (perhaps too willing)...he lacks some quickness but that's the only negative on him

    Is he a guy who you can put on an island? Maybe not all the time. But he's proven to be at the top of that 2nd tier of CB's in the NFL and he's a good matchup Corner and can play zone as well.

    I think as a guy who's only started for 2 years at 28 with his size, he beats $5million -- he's entering his prime.




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