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    Big fan of Rogers.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Not saying you're wrong, but don't the Ravens already have enough "developmental receivers"? Doss, Streeter, D. Thompson, and LQ Williams, even David Reed ... Bc
    Maybe, and that's why I qualified my comment with "if the Ravens were looking. . . "

    I'm not sold on any of those guys currently on the Ravens. With the exception of Doss and Reed as potential possession receivers, those guys seem to be seriously lacking. They all remind me of Justin Harper.

    I would love to see the Ravens get a major upgrade over any of those guys. And an upgrade over Jacoby Jones, who really can't catch. Return man, yes. Receiver, no. Getting a guy like Andre Hopkins, Da'Rick Rogers, Markus Wheaton, Quinton Patton, Robert Woods - that would be my preference.




  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Big fan of Rogers.
    If his head is on straight he's becoming my favorite pick as a 2nd round guy that has legit outside receiver ability. He could give us something after the catch that we really havent had and he still has the speed an athleticism to get deep as well.




  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizerooskie View Post
    I don't get the relative hate for DeAndre Hopkins. He''s not remotely comparable to Tavarres King, for example.

    What are his weaknesses?
    Not sure if this was for the group or me, but I have Hopkins valued two rounds higher than King. Our FO might have him valued much higher. Hell, they had a 1st round grade on Torrey and felt like they HAD to take him at #57. FWIW, I like Torrey a lot and liked him at Maryland, but in no way did I think that he was 1st round material.

    Back to Hopkins, from what I've read, Hopkins' work ethic is excellent and many in the Clemson football community were surprised with how far he had come in just one off-season. That's the kind of stuff that our FO loves and values, so we very well may have 1st round grade on him, and will snag him at 32.

    That said, my comment still stands. No hate. Just an evaluation.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

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  5. #35

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    Re-slotting a bit after balancing my points system. Essentially, I put a greater weight on explosiveness (bench + bj + vj) and dialed down college production a bit. The guys in each round are in order of preference now. FWIW, the 2nd round group is tightly bunched. Wheaton's relative big move is due to his extremely high explosive index plus excellent foot speed (20 shuttle + 3 cone time). These numbers also took TJ Moe from UDFA to the 4th round. Moe had the highest explosive index and greatest foot speed among the WRs at the Combine...maybe of any position. His slow 40 time doesn't matter to me.

    1st - Tavon Austin WVU
    2nd - Markus Wheaton Oregon, Da'Rick Rogers TNTech, Quinton Patton LATech, Keenan Allen Cal, DeAndre Hopkins Clemson, Cordarrelle Patterson TN
    3rd - Studman Bailey WVU, Robert Woods USC, Justin Hunter TN
    4th - Chad Bumphis MSST, TJ Moe Mizz, Uzoma Nwachukwu TX A&M, Tavarres King UGA, Ryan Swope TX A&M, Aaron Dobson Marshall, Aaron Mellette Elon
    5th - Ryan Spadola Leigh, Jasper Collins MtU, Connor Vernon Duke, Kenny Stiles OU, Terrance Williams BAY, Chris Harper KSU
    6th - Zach Rogers TN, Darius Johnson SMU

    Elite WR: None
    Elite athlete: Austin
    Highest ceiling: Austin if used properly; Da'Rick Rogers, generally

    Great potential (distance from current perceived value to future production): Bumphis and Moe
    Greatest risk: Patterson, if taken in the 1st round by anyone besides STL or MIN (each has 2 1st rd picks); Hunter if taken higher than #62

    Preferred day 1 starter in the slot for Ravens: Austin
    Who I could live with in the slot for Ravens: Patton, Bumphis and Moe

    Preferred day 1 starter out-wide for Ravens: Wheaton
    Who I could live with out-wide for Ravens: Rogers, Allen and Hopkins

    What would be surprising, but provide good value?: Taking Patton on a trade-back into the middle 2nd
    What can I see our FO doing?: Taking Wheaton at #62
    What what I do? (safe scenario): Get Wheaton at #62 + Take Bumphis at #129/130
    What would I do? (aggresive scenario): Trade-up or back into the upper 3rd for Rogers + Take Bumphis at #129/130
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    Just watched Nwachukwu for the first time and i came away really impressed....
    He ran 4.45 at his Pro Day, but he also had a near 40" vertical and 10' 10" broad jump. The guy could be a late round gem.




  7. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    He ran 4.45 at his Pro Day, but he also had a near 40" vertical and 10' 10" broad jump. The guy could be a late round gem.
    Absolutely, if he got more targets he'd probably be more touted in that 2 to 3 round range




  8. #38

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    I'll let myself be surprised if we get any guy from this list.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    2nd - Markus Wheaton Oregon, Da'Rick Rogers TNTech, Quinton Patton LATech, Keenan Allen Cal, DeAndre Hopkins Clemson


    But this is the list that I'm excited about. I would love any one of these guys:

    4th - Chad Bumphis MSST, TJ Moe Mizz, Uzoma Nwachukwu TX A&M
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




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    BPR

    Thoughts on that kid from Ellon? Supposedly the Ravens are very interested.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    BPR

    Thoughts on that kid from Ellon? Supposedly the Ravens are very interested.
    Hopefully, with both Harper and Mellette, we are evaluating them for slotting, and not for our own purposes.
    Drafting Mellette means that we will have yet another receiver on the roster that will routinely struggle to gain separation.

    Overall, for WRs, If I/you 1) believe that WR is a need, and 2) believe the industry line that in this draft there are 4-5 top dogs following by a large mass of equal-talented prospects then I/you should also believe that there's a great chance that we are going to draft a WR somewhere from #32 on down to #70-78 (i.e., the middle of the 3rd round), b/c there's equal value. Neither Harper nor Mellette are close to being top 78 players.


    Note: I would say that this same "belief" should apply to ILB, which is much more of a need than WR.


    Eh...I'm too hard on Harper
    He could be a nice possession guy, but he won't get away from the taller DBs out there.
    Last edited by BigPlayReceiver; 04-02-2013 at 09:04 PM.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




  11. #41

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    Tony Wiltshire ‏@TonyWiltshire 7m
    Keenan Allen's Junior Day in 2012 - 4.53 40 (1.57, 2.55), 4.28 Short Shuttle, 7.12 3-Cone, 9'7" BJ, 35" Vertical, 17 Bench Reps
    His 2012 season tape definitely shows more of a 4.5 than a 4.7.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




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    4.7? wow. maybe we can trade down, get a LB/S/DT, then trade up into the middle of the second. anf still get Allen.




  13. #43

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    This gave me a chuckle b/c it was just what I was talking about with some cats at lunch.


    Matthew Fairburn‏@MatthewFairburn36m
    Kiper projects Da'Rick Rogers to go early on day three. Has him as a 4th rounder right now.


    Jared Counterman‏@OS_Counterman35m
    @ECStoner would die RT @MatthewFairburn: Kiper projects Da'Rick Rogers to go early on day three. Has him as a 4th rounder right now.

    Eric Stoner‏@ECStoner34m
    @OS_Counterman @MatthewFairburn He'd be a disgusting steal there.


    AP‏@ap57532m
    @ECStoner @OS_Counterman @MatthewFairburn Ravens.


    Jared Counterman‏@OS_Counterman31m
    @ap575 @ecstoner @matthewfairburn Love him on the other side of Smith.


    Steven Morton‏@smorton10136829m
    @ap575 @ecstoner @os_counterman @matthewfairburn yeah Ozzie probably hoping Patterson & Allen fall.
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    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




  14. #44

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    What about King from UGA? Don't hear his name very often.




  15. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-RavedUp5-27-52-20 View Post
    What about King from UGA? Don't hear his name very often.
    Neither do I. Lost in the sauce, he is.
    He's a very balanced WR though and sometime those guys can make it for 4-6 years.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




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