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Thread: Offensive Line
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03-07-2013, 11:08 AM #13Pro Bowl Poster
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I think I understand what you have posted in this thread, and not trying to be confrontational, but I think "The Ravens are still fumbling about trying to replace Jonathan Ogden..." may be a bit of a harsh judgement considering the quality of JO. IMHO, any team would be fumbling about trying to replace him. Obviously the FO is not without its issues, and many posters have offered very well-thought out criticisms. Also, you have made it clear that you're not bashing the FO. I just wanted to offer a small caveat. :)
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03-07-2013, 11:38 AM #15Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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Oh I dunno, I thought that Cap'n O's post was just chockful of useful information & profound insights... And while they're at it, cure AIDS, end world hunder, & make peace in the Middle East--any of which is more likely to happen.... Face it, McKinnie has his ring, his buds are either gone (#52) or on their way (#20), & he wants/needs every dollar he can get. Some team will pay him more than the Ravens.Concur...damn it all.
I expect the Ravens to go into 2013 with Oher at LT, backed up by the developmental LT of the future. They will add an interior OL who can play guard and center to back up and "compete" with Gradkowski, who will be the starting center in between KO and Yanda. At RT, they will likely give Jah Reid one last shot to get healthy and win a starter's spot (I think he fits better at RT than LG) but he will be pushed by Jack Cornell or a cheap FA in camp.
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03-07-2013, 11:43 AM #16Steve Flacco, Apparently
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Oher has played tackle for us on one side or the other for virtually all of Joe's career and neither has yet to miss a game, much less finish the year on IR. I get that Oher isn't a top tackle, but the histrionics about him are getting ludicrous. He's a replacement level starter on the left side and an above average to very good right tackle. Treating him like he's a worthless turnstile is underselling his value.
My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron
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03-07-2013, 11:57 AM #17
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I actually agree, though a BIT less optimstic...
I am scared to death that we will see Oher on teh left and Jah reid on the right to enter week 1...
But, at the same point I am fairly comfortable we will draft a guy who at least possibly projects to LT.
I'd be much happier with Oher left on the right side for once... IF Oher/Fo/Coaches can finally sttle on him bign RT starter/LT backup then I am fine nearing the top of the market for RT's as a second contract after thsi year. I am warming to the idea of taking ab athletic prospect like Terron Armstead.
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Michael Oher was actually fairly good in pass pro this year, it was his run blocking that was atrocious.
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03-07-2013, 12:11 PM #21
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03-07-2013, 12:30 PM #22Hall Of Fame Poster
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The problem with Oher is his inconsistency. Go back and look at Filmstudy's grades of Oher going all the way back to his rookie season. Even at RT, he mixes in plenty of D's and F's with his A's and B's. In 2011 he was downright bad all too often even at RT (he played at a horrifying, sub-Cousins level vs the Texans in the playoffs, among other games) but looked like an All-Pro for a few games as well. It was the same story at LT in 2010 and 2012.
The ONLY time Oher was really consistent was in his rookie year at RT before Gaither's injury forced his move to LT. He was miserable at LT in that stretch of 5 or so games and I don't think his confidence has ever really fully recovered. It's all mental with Michael, IMO. He struggles physically to mirror speed rushers, but technique can counteract that; he's just never really developed technically and mentally to compensate for his physical shortcomings with his mind, he plays too tentatively in pass protection, and he's easily overwhelmed by complex blocking assignments.
After 4 years in the league I think it's unrealistic to expect those things to change significantly, but Castillo may be able to improve him somewhat. Right now, I peg Oher as firmly in the bottom third of starters at LT and right around league average at RT. Sometimes great and sometimes bad equates to average in my book.
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PFF also gave Oher a +3.7 overall grading in pass pro which isn't bad at all. I think those numbers have something to do with the TERRIBLE scheming by Cam Cameron, even offensive linemen were negatively affected by his play calling IMO.
There were times Cam would not mass protect against 6 rushers.
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03-07-2013, 12:45 PM #24Legendary RSR Poster
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I think one of the problems, that posters have criticized the FO for, is not totally valid. IMO one of the reasons is that the Ravens have consistently won enough games to make the playoffs, and have a low 1st round draft choice. We won't be choosing between Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson because they will be long gone before Ozzie has his first cup of coffee. Let's also not forget that he drafted KO (2nd) and GG (4th) in 2012, but it is one of the hardest things in the current NFL to find a solid LT.
... Bc
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