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    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    And the season's fate may hinge on whether the "developmental LT" manages to break into the lineup before Flacco ends up on IR...damn it all.
    Oher has played tackle for us on one side or the other for virtually all of Joe's career and neither has yet to miss a game, much less finish the year on IR. I get that Oher isn't a top tackle, but the histrionics about him are getting ludicrous. He's a replacement level starter on the left side and an above average to very good right tackle. Treating him like he's a worthless turnstile is underselling his value.
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    Oher has played tackle for us on one side or the other for virtually all of Joe's career and neither has yet to miss a game, much less finish the year on IR. I get that Oher isn't a top tackle, but the histrionics about him are getting ludicrous. He's a replacement level starter on the left side and an above average to very good right tackle. Treating him like he's a worthless turnstile is underselling his value.
    I actually agree, though a BIT less optimstic...

    I am scared to death that we will see Oher on teh left and Jah reid on the right to enter week 1...

    But, at the same point I am fairly comfortable we will draft a guy who at least possibly projects to LT.

    I'd be much happier with Oher left on the right side for once... IF Oher/Fo/Coaches can finally sttle on him bign RT starter/LT backup then I am fine nearing the top of the market for RT's as a second contract after thsi year. I am warming to the idea of taking ab athletic prospect like Terron Armstead.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post

    Oher has played tackle for us on one side or the other for virtually all of Joe's career and neither has yet to miss a game, much less finish the year on IR. I get that Oher isn't a top tackle, but the histrionics about him are getting ludicrous. He's a replacement level starter on the left side and an above average to very good right tackle. Treating him like he's a worthless turnstile is underselling his value.


    You'd think Oher was Oniel Cousins.

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    Michael Oher was actually fairly good in pass pro this year, it was his run blocking that was atrocious.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Michael Oher was actually fairly good in pass pro this year, it was his run blocking that was atrocious.
    Which is a big reason why I would love to see them draft Michael Williams or Sims. Good blocking TE's with decent receiving skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Michael Oher was actually fairly good in pass pro this year, it was his run blocking that was atrocious.
    What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
    He gave up 10 or 10.5 sacks an over 40 pressures. IIRC, only Arizona's pair of tackles and one other OT allowed more or graded out worse in passbl;ockign by PFF.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Oher has played tackle for us on one side or the other for virtually all of Joe's career and neither has yet to miss a game, much less finish the year on IR. I get that Oher isn't a top tackle, but the histrionics about him are getting ludicrous. He's a replacement level starter on the left side and an above average to very good right tackle. Treating him like he's a worthless turnstile is underselling his value.
    The problem with Oher is his inconsistency. Go back and look at Filmstudy's grades of Oher going all the way back to his rookie season. Even at RT, he mixes in plenty of D's and F's with his A's and B's. In 2011 he was downright bad all too often even at RT (he played at a horrifying, sub-Cousins level vs the Texans in the playoffs, among other games) but looked like an All-Pro for a few games as well. It was the same story at LT in 2010 and 2012.

    The ONLY time Oher was really consistent was in his rookie year at RT before Gaither's injury forced his move to LT. He was miserable at LT in that stretch of 5 or so games and I don't think his confidence has ever really fully recovered. It's all mental with Michael, IMO. He struggles physically to mirror speed rushers, but technique can counteract that; he's just never really developed technically and mentally to compensate for his physical shortcomings with his mind, he plays too tentatively in pass protection, and he's easily overwhelmed by complex blocking assignments.

    After 4 years in the league I think it's unrealistic to expect those things to change significantly, but Castillo may be able to improve him somewhat. Right now, I peg Oher as firmly in the bottom third of starters at LT and right around league average at RT. Sometimes great and sometimes bad equates to average in my book.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
    He gave up 10 or 10.5 sacks an over 40 pressures. IIRC, only Arizona's pair of tackles and one other OT allowed more or graded out worse in passbl;ockign by PFF.
    PFF also gave Oher a +3.7 overall grading in pass pro which isn't bad at all. I think those numbers have something to do with the TERRIBLE scheming by Cam Cameron, even offensive linemen were negatively affected by his play calling IMO.

    There were times Cam would not mass protect against 6 rushers.




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    I think one of the problems, that posters have criticized the FO for, is not totally valid. IMO one of the reasons is that the Ravens have consistently won enough games to make the playoffs, and have a low 1st round draft choice. We won't be choosing between Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson because they will be long gone before Ozzie has his first cup of coffee. Let's also not forget that he drafted KO (2nd) and GG (4th) in 2012, but it is one of the hardest things in the current NFL to find a solid LT.
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    During the playoff run the offense played very well. Aside from the question mark at LT, we will return just about everyone. We have Reid, Harewood and Cornell as depth for the line and all of them should improve. We aren't likely to find a starting LT drafting at #32 and beyond, so it makes sense to find a FA or resign McKinney to a short contract. The Oher experiment at LT didn't work and the contrast with the line play during the regular season vs the playoffs last year is evidence. Our guard tandem could be the best in the game and sticking Gradkowski between them will help him be successful. All that is needed is to plug in a LT and we'll have a powerful offense with a great OL.

    The defense played poorly for much of the year and we're losing Lewis and could eventually lose Ellerbe, Krueger, Williams, Kemo and Reed. Another question mark is McClain coming off his spinal injury. The defense needs to be retooled and IMO we'll draft heavily on that group.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    During the playoff run the offense played very well. Aside from the question mark at LT, we will return just about everyone. We have Reid, Harewood and Cornell as depth for the line and all of them should improve. We aren't likely to find a starting LT drafting at #32 and beyond, so it makes sense to find a FA or resign McKinney to a short contract. The Oher experiment at LT didn't work and the contrast with the line play during the regular season vs the playoffs last year is evidence. Our guard tandem could be the best in the game and sticking Gradkowski between them will help him be successful. All that is needed is to plug in a LT and we'll have a powerful offense with a great OL.

    The defense played poorly for much of the year and we're losing Lewis and could eventually lose Ellerbe, Krueger, Williams, Kemo and Reed. Another question mark is McClain coming off his spinal injury. The defense needs to be retooled and IMO we'll draft heavily on that group.
    agreed, outside of LT of the future, and a blocking TE/Hback type or both, this draft should be all defensive at every level... DL/LB/S though I think we are pretty well set at CB. OLB is less of a need then ILB, IMO and DE is less of a need then NT, again, IMO.
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    I wouldn't say the front office has an undying allegiance to Michael Oher. His struggles at LT during training camp and the preseason, played a role in Bryant McKinnie being signed by the team. When Jah Reid got hurt, they could have put Williams at LG and left Oher at LT.

    It just seems that the players they've chosen to groom for the spot have not panned out. Gaither's poor work ethic led to constant injuries and constant questions. McKinnie's work ethic is the only thing that led to Oher being at LT last year.

    If they do draft a LT, I would expect them to select someone with an unquestionably hard work ethic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    agreed, outside of LT of the future, and a blocking TE/Hback type or both, this draft should be all defensive at every level... DL/LB/S though I think we are pretty well set at CB. OLB is less of a need then ILB, IMO and DE is less of a need then NT, again, IMO.
    Fixed that, but I agree with all of it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    Fixed that, but I agree with all of it.
    thanks, and yes that was my intent... so you corrected it correctly.




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    LT is obviously the huge elephant in the room. I think we all agree they need to re-sign Mckinnie and draft his heir apparent soon. I think the other 4 spots are locked down pretty good, Jah gives good swing depth at G and RT, especially since we already know he can at least play G at a respectable level. I could see Caldwell and Cornell competing for a spot and we'll have to find a backup for Gino. All in all i think we are in good shape, assuming LT gets handled properly.




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