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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?



    Harewood according to PFF is a good run blocking guard. Top 1/3 among his peers. His pass pro stinks, but he only surrendered 1 sack (12 hurries though). Again, as per PFF. Having said that, I can't imagine us not giving Harewood an ORD tender.

    I would not tender Reed.
    Give Cox the league minimum? What are the options for UDFAs?
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    The Ravens generally tender all of their players, so I dont even think this is a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Ravens generally tender all of their players, so I dont even think this is a debate.

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    Normally, I would agree, but this year with such a tight Cap, I could see one or two of these guys being non-tendered.

    I'm sure they would offer them minimum deals to return, but it's possible that the player might rather try his luck elsewhere.
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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    I wouldn't be quick to give up on Harewood especially with Castillo on the coaching staff. Lets see what Castillo can do with him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post

    Normally, I would agree, but this year with such a tight Cap, I could see one or two of these guys being non-tendered.

    I'm sure they would offer them minimum deals to return, but it's possible that the player might rather try his luck elsewhere.
    David Reed is the only one I can see jot getting tendered. He just plays a position that is crowded.

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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    You know, your line of thinking with the long snapper is exactly why the New York Giants used to screw the pooch in the postseason, before they eventually came around to winning the Super Bowl. Special teams takes timing, rhythm and stability to be successful. You can't just go cheap everywhere. It's not that hard to end up with a long snapper that shoots it high and costs you a game. You get what you pay for.

    As for Ramon Harewood, his talent will lend to him getting the low tender and playing out his rookie contract. The one guy I would not tender is David Reed.

    I'm with you on Morgan Cox. We've seen teams lose playoff games because of a long snapper. Since Cox has been here we've never even thought about the position. That's exactly what you want. I think it would be nuts not to tender him.
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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Normally, I would agree, but this year with such a tight Cap, I could see one or two of these guys being non-tendered.

    I'm sure they would offer them minimum deals to return, but it's possible that the player might rather try his luck elsewhere.
    I think we've done this before...non-tendered a guy and then given him a pretty fair deal straight up. Ramon Harewood and David Reed have little shots of hooking on elsewhere for much more money. Morgan Cox is a tough call, we've generally found talented LS in UDFA time and time again. But I do remember what happened the last year Katula was here, his hand got injured and a bunch of snaps got messed up.
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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I wouldn't be quick to give up on Harewood especially with Castillo on the coaching staff. Lets see what Castillo can do with him.
    Harewood was a starter the first game of the season. They must see something in him. I think he gets tendered too.
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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    I'm thinking that Reed is still valuable to the team. At a minimum I would not tender him but offer him a contract and I might just tender him anyway.

    Right now Reed is the 5th WR on the team, behind Boldin, Smith, Jones, and Doss, and ahead of Williams, and Streeter. He's also a good special teams guy, something that any WR that far down the pecking order needs to be. Looking forward, I am not sure how the team views Williams vs Reed, but it is hard to imagine Streeter moving ahead of him in the pecking order cause Streeter was pretty bad last year at training camp. Honestly Streeter looks close to a bust and if he were not a draft pick he would have been cut. I would also say that Reed is closer to overtaking Doss than losing ground to other WR's.

    It is also hard to see the team picking a WR like Austin (a high draft pick) unless the team cuts Jones or Boldin so I think there's a good chance that next year the team will use the same WR corps as last year. Of course with a non-Cam-led offense the pecking order of the WR's might change this offseason...




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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The one guy I would not tender is David Reed.
    Wait...you are giving up on him Ex?

    Just messing with ya lol...
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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Why can't we tender Kruger, or give him the tag and try to trade him? I see no one talk about this option. He's sure to get a demand that could net us something.




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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    we don't have the cap space.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    we don't have the cap space.
    We actually do, it would just require cutting Jacoby, Leach, Williams, and McClain (3 of them are likely gone anyway).

    Its too late to use the franchise tag anyway, but it could have been an interesting option to have tagged him then put him on the trade block, would have been interesting to see what picks we would have been offered for him.




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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    I personally see these three as a good place to save cap space. Non-Tender them all and offer Vet min deals or close to it. I'm actually OK with ravor's idea of giving Cox a 5 year deal with a 6 figure bonus and Vet Min salaries. He is very good, jsut not worth $1m in capspace.




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    Re: Should we use RFA tenders on Reed, Harewood, and Cox?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I'm with you on Morgan Cox. We've seen teams lose playoff games because of a long snapper. Since Cox has been here we've never even thought about the position. That's exactly what you want. I think it would be nuts not to tender him.
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