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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....



    Matt Ryan is right in the tier I originally though Joe Flacco was in, the 2nd tier of very good QBs who can potentially win you SBs with the right supporting cast, but wont take over big games put the team on his back. Flacco has proven me wrong about that, and is in my eyes now in the deluxe group of QBs (there my new replacement word for that dated "elite" crap. ). That's fine, Atlanta are always going to be contenders with him at QB, and with the weapons they have. They are going to have to draft some nice prospects to improve that defense though. I'm not sure if Matt Ryan eating up all the cap as one of the top paid players in the game will give you much value however, they will likely not be able to re-sign Roddy White pretty soon, and would probably have a 50/50 chance with Julio Jones in a few years without using the tag, because I think Julio is going to have a real shot at becoming the best paid WR in the history of the NFL. There is no way you can invest that much cap space into one area of the game.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    I'll cut Ryan some slack. That is a flawed team around him. He's got some weapons at WR and TE yes, but they have no running game and their defense is highly suspect. They're actually a lot like the Saints. Switch Ryan and Flacco and I think we still get our ring this year (although I suppose you could make the argument that doing that would've cost us some of the assets that helped us win the SB due to the cost of trading up to get him).
    I might be wrong about this, but had we not gotten extra picks by trading back in the first to select Flacco, we probably wouldn't have ended up with Ray Rice. No 4th and 29, prob no SB.

    EDIT: I now see Iscull already brought this up.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash55 View Post
    Off subject but I wish I could find a t shirt that supports the front office. I know they cant use wizard of oz because of infringment. But I would love a shirt that gives our front office some love with how many pro bowl apperances our players have had, mvps, awards, etc.

    I dont know maybe its me. Me and my buddies go up to the mountains to a friends cabin and watch the draft every year. Just the guys and it is an amazing year tradition. I wish I had something to wear to support the front office
    I been thinking about getting an Ozzie Newsome Ravens jersey. I'd have to get it custom made though, not sure how much that cost.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Yeah, I wonder what Matt Ryan would have done, having to deal with Pittsburgh twice a year.

    I remember what happened the first time he played Pittsburgh. It didn't go so well.
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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    Fair enough. I think it's debatable, but I'm certainly not sorry we have Joe. I just think Ryan gets piled on a bit too much. Take him away and the Falcons are a 3-13 or 4-12 team. Take Flacco away and I think we could still fight for 7-9 wins.
    So you honestly think Troy Smith would have led us to 7-9 wins??? If anyone gets piled on too much it's Flacco. The expectations for Matt Ryan were much higher, so far he's underachieved. I do think it's only a matter of time before he turns the corner gets his team to the superbowl.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

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    FWIW and IMHO, I suspect a lot of the fan animosity towards Ryan is predicated on the media's "Matty Ice" knob-slobbing. I don't follow the guy too closely, but after hearing "Matty Ice", or "RGIII this, RGIII that" or whatever for the millionth time, I'm ready to grab Mr. Ruger and pop some .40's into the tube, hoping to hit the announcers!




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    If they hadn't talked Steve Bisciotti out of what he wanted to do, the Ravens would have ended up with.......................Matt Ryan!!!

    Oh no!!!!
    I think it had more to do with the Rams asking for a King's Ransom than anything Bisciotti did. IIRC, it would have cost us our 1st and 2nd and the following year's 1st to move ahead of ATL. That was too much, especially when there was another QB that they like very much who would be available later in the 1st.
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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    I think it had more to do with the Rams asking for a King's Ransom than anything Bisciotti did. IIRC, it would have cost us our 1st and 2nd and the following year's 1st to move ahead of ATL. That was too much, especially when there was another QB that they like very much who would be available later in the 1st.
    How bad are the Rams? Had a chance to get Ryan and RG3. lol




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    My brother in Buffalo lives, eats, and sleeps NFL football and he said to me, Ryan was going to be good, but Flacco was going to be better. And this guys favorite player of all time is Peyton Manning.

    But you can't play the hindsight game, be glad we got who we got and let the Falcons be the champs of season records, they don't transfer into Lombardi's.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    But, it wasn't Ryans defense that threw an ill advised interception. Nor was it his lack of a running game that caused him to fumble a shotgun snap.

    IMO, the guy just seems to make the biggest mistakes in the biggest moments.
    Yeah, those plays were almost Romoesque.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Yeah, those plays were almost Romoesque.
    To me Ryan has the Romo gene until he proves otherwise.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    My brother in Buffalo lives, eats, and sleeps NFL football and he said to me, Ryan was going to be good, but Flacco was going to be better. And this guys favorite player of all time is Peyton Manning.

    But you can't play the hindsight game, be glad we got who we got and let the Falcons be the champs of season records, they don't transfer into Lombardi's.
    I think it was said at the time and probably has proven true - Ryan was the safer pick and the more "NFL-ready" QB, but Flacco had the higher upside, albeit with less of a guarantee that he'd reach it.
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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    If we had gotten our way, we would have had Jason Garrett and Matt Ryan.

    Sometimes disappointment befalls us for our benefit.




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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    If I am not mistaken, Steve Bisciotti acknowledged what they would have given up for Ryan, but admitted that he wanted his future QB by any means necessary. That is was Ozzie and Co. who did their homework on Joe, brought their gathering to Bisciotti and convinced him that they weren't far apart.
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    Re: One thing I will always thank the front office for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    You'd have to admit that Matt Ryan had a hotter start than Flacco. Who knows, maybe we win the Super Bowl in one of the earlier seasons if he's our QB.
    This is a good point. We made the AFCC in 2008: maybe if Ryan were our QB that year we win that game.
    (Though no way we get the same love from the refs as the Steelers did vs the Seahawks.)

    I'm happy with how things turned out.

    Matt Ryan is still a pretty great QB. There's no need to slag on him: he just completed over 68% of his passes for over 4700 yards. It's not like he sucks. We're just happy with our guy.




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