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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    One thing is that Boldin didn't exactly get open. He had to make all of his catches in tight coverage.
    he made them though, and took over a few games this year and last...honestly besides pitta and torrey i dont trust anyone else to make a crucial catch...




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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    he made them though, and took over a few games this year and last...honestly besides pitta and torrey i dont trust anyone else to make a crucial catch...
    Boldin can completely dominate when full throttle. We've seen it.




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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Originally Posted by iggyman555
    he made them though, and took over a few games this year and last...honestly besides pitta and torrey i dont trust anyone else to make a crucial catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Boldin can completely dominate when full throttle. We've seen it.
    bt, I am 100% with your thinking here... Bc




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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Boldin can completely dominate when full throttle. We've seen it.
    Look, if this were a decision in a vacuum--is Boldin a good player or isn't he--it would be easy. But it's not.

    This decision is between Boldin and Ellerbe, or Boldin and Kruger, or Boldin and Jake Long. The $6m Boldin was going to get paid in non-guaranteed money this year can be used to make this team better in some other area. Is Boldin SO indispensable that Ozzie should pass up locking down ILB, OT, etc? Especially given that he's 33 years old?

    Ozzie has to concentrate on building this team long-term, not just 2013, and not just at any one position or one side of the ball. Of all the options on the table I'm sure the Ravens would have preferred to keep Boldin at a reduced rate, but Anquan didn't want to agree to that, which is his right. There IS a plan here, and let's wait until it all plays out before we declare defeat.




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    While Boldin did make the catches, it proved to make things difficult in the process. The Ravens are going to put more athleticism in the spot, so that those catches can continue to be made, without having to be as challenging. None of us will know if the 'clutch' catches will be made. However, what's the point in drafting players if you are just going to keep them on the bench for three and four years?
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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    ... Look, if this were a decision in a vacuum ... Ozzie has to concentrate on building this team long-term, not just 2013 ...
    As you can see, I've edited your post down. I don't agree to the gist of it though. If we had a losing team, then OK, let's not over-pay an ageing WR. Let's draft a young guy. However, this Ravens team is poised for another Super Bowl run. So, I believe it's imperative to resupply Joe with the players who got him, and our team, to a 2012 championship. Boldin was a large part of that run, and I'd like to see him back in Baltimore. Of course we don't want to over-pay him, but I'd like Ozzie to make him an offer he can't refuse, and be on the Ravens roster in 2013... Bc




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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Look, if this were a decision in a vacuum--is Boldin a good player or isn't he--it would be easy. But it's not.

    This decision is between Boldin and Ellerbe, or Boldin and Kruger, or Boldin and Jake Long. The $6m Boldin was going to get paid in non-guaranteed money this year can be used to make this team better in some other area. Is Boldin SO indispensable that Ozzie should pass up locking down ILB, OT, etc? Especially given that he's 33 years old?

    Ozzie has to concentrate on building this team long-term, not just 2013, and not just at any one position or one side of the ball. Of all the options on the table I'm sure the Ravens would have preferred to keep Boldin at a reduced rate, but Anquan didn't want to agree to that, which is his right. There IS a plan here, and let's wait until it all plays out before we declare defeat.
    I trust Ozzie. I've seen plenty of his plans shake out.

    It will suck to lose Boldin but I can see the benefits of moving on too.




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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

    Clemson wide receiver DeAndre "Nuk" Hopkins is working out for Panthers receives coach Ricky Proehl today
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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

    Clemson wide receiver DeAndre "Nuk" Hopkins is working out for Panthers receives coach Ricky Proehl today
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    I saw that. He is an interesting player who reminds me so much of Boldin. Panthers are looking at the 2nd rd if they are serious and in reality, I feel that he may be available at the end of the 1st rd due to speed concerns. Someone may ask for our #32 if we aren't considering him for ourselves.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80 View Post
    I saw that. He is an interesting player who reminds me so much of Boldin. Panthers are looking at the 2nd rd if they are serious and in reality, I feel that he may be available at the end of the 1st rd due to speed concerns. Someone may ask for our #32 if we aren't considering him for ourselves.
    Just a thought based upon a sample-size of 1 (i.e., Torrey Smith). If we cut Boldin then we are going to draft a fine young man that we are absolutely stunned is still on the board at 32, 63 or somewhere between 32 and 63 (if we have traded down.)

    Having watched quite a few interviews (besides tons of film), there's one guy that immediately comes to mind...
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    You don't think Tavon Austin is a first round talent?!!!

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
    no. Im not convinced he has the build to last in the NFL or to be successful on a consistent basis. I think hes intriguing but id feel much better about it late 2nd than late first. I dont really think hes the best WR in this draft, i have him 4th.

    Honestly though im not high on this draft at all. I usually get pretty excited this time of year and dive head first into scouting. I really have little interest in this years draft. I see a lot of over hyped prospects and 2nd and 3rd round talent from years past being tagged as first rounders. thats really the only reason i see for him being talked about as a first rounder. in a normal draft with at least 1 if not 2 legitimate #1 WRs hes a late 2nd at best which is where id value him. Im sure somebody will draft him higher, but that doesnt mean id value him that high. If he was BPA at 32 and i have a 2nd round grade on him, i trade out, and i think so would Oz.
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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    no. Im not convinced he has the build to last in the NFL or to be successful on a consistent basis. I think hes intriguing but id feel much better about it late 2nd than late first. I dont really think hes the best WR in this draft, i have him 4th.

    Honestly though im not high on this draft at all. I usually get pretty excited this time of year and dive head first into scouting. I really have little interest in this years draft. I see a lot of over hyped prospects and 2nd and 3rd round talent from years past being tagged as first rounders. thats really the only reason i see for him being talked about as a first rounder. in a normal draft with at least 1 if not 2 legitimate #1 WRs hes a late 2nd at best which is where id value him. Im sure somebody will draft him higher, but that doesnt mean id value him that high. If he was BPA at 32 and i have a 2nd round grade on him, i trade out, and i think so would Oz.
    I don't think most of us here are high on this draft, but because of that, it would make it really make to imagine him making it to the 2nd rd. He has functional speed and quickness that translates to the field of play. No way he makes it out of the 1st. Even if he is left around pick 20 or so, some team that already picked in the 1st will trade back in just for this kid. Remember, it only takes one desperate team and in this draft, there's a lot of those teams.

    One more thing, there are a couple smallish players surviving just fine in the league right now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80 View Post
    One more thing, there are a couple smallish players surviving just fine in the league right now.
    Several of them have thrived, and there will be more and more, now that they can't be mercilessly and repeatedly crushed by flying anvils in the secondary.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

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    Re: Should the Ravens draft a WR with one of their pick?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80 View Post
    I don't think most of us here are high on this draft, but because of that, it would make it really make to imagine him making it to the 2nd rd. He has functional speed and quickness that translates to the field of play. No way he makes it out of the 1st. Even if he is left around pick 20 or so, some team that already picked in the 1st will trade back in just for this kid. Remember, it only takes one desperate team and in this draft, there's a lot of those teams.

    One more thing, there are a couple smallish players surviving just fine in the league right now.
    He likely will go higher, not saying he wont, im saying a good GM wouldnt though because the value isnt there. It would be better to trade for a future 1 than take a late 2, late 1.

    there are small players surviving, but not many. name somebody under 5'10 besides Steve Smith and Wes Welker (who went in the 3rd and UDFA) thats worthy of a first round pick. if its a RB try somebody under 195lbs. hell even welker and smith are closer to 190 not 170. theres little and then theres too little. Theres one little fast guy drafted just about every year but only a handful find roles and even fewer become stars.
    -JAB




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