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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call



    I been saying all along that reed will be back on a fair contract. He is still better than most safeties in the game and paired with Pollard forms the best safety tandem in the game. Plus the leadership he brings...you could make an argument that his role in the near mutiny after Houston solidified the team and put them in position to go get that Lombardi.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    Here's my thought on this: The Ravens have an idea of what Reed's value is at this point in his career. This very likely does not square with what Ed thinks his value is. So what's the point in being the bearer of bad tidings? Let Ed (or his agent, if he ever gets one) find out from other teams that he's not getting, say, a 2-year, $16M contract.

    Unless you fear that Ed may sign with another team without giving the Ravens a chance to make a better offer (possible, but not likely), you don't really need to rush to make an offer, to find you were only bidding against yourself.
    George Wilson just got a 2yr/$4M deal (incentives up to $5M) from TENN.

    Now...George Wilson is no Ed Reed, but he is decent. And a few years younger than Ed.

    I don't see anyone paying Ed more than $4M/year, which would be double what George Wilson just got. Quite certain Ed won't be making the $7M he got this year. Ed probably doesn't want to hear this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    George Wilson just got a 2yr/$4M deal (incentives up to $5M) from TENN.

    Now...George Wilson is no Ed Reed, but he is decent. And a few years younger than Ed.

    I don't see anyone paying Ed more than $4M/year, which would be double what George Wilson just got. Quite certain Ed won't be making the $7M he got this year. Ed probably doesn't want to hear this.
    I'd pay reed 2-3 mil year. If he doesn't take that then it was nice having you on our team.


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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I'd pay reed 2-3 mil year. If he doesn't take that then it was nice having you on our team.
    Honestly, if I were Ed Reed, I'd be like WTF.

    You are a HoF safety and the best you can get is $3M/year?

    Now I know he already got his payday, and is at the tail end of his career...but in light of current NFL salaries...if I were Reed I'd be a little pissed off too.

    But hey - that is the game he signed up for.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Honestly, if I were Ed Reed, I'd be like WTF.

    You are a HoF safety and the best you can get is $3M/year?

    Now I know he already got his payday, and is at the tail end of his career...but in light of current NFL salaries...if I were Reed I'd be a little pissed off too.

    But hey - that is the game he signed up for.
    The bottom line is safeties don't get paid much in the NFL. Look at the costs of the franchise tag.

    Quarterback $14,896,000
    Offensive Linemen (includes Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Center) $9,828,000
    Wide Receiver $10,537,000
    Running Back (includes all Fullbacks and Halfbacks) $8,219,000
    Tight End $6,066,000
    Defensive End $11,175,000
    Defensive Tackle $8,450,000
    Linebacker $9,619,000
    Cornerback $10,854,000
    Safety $6,916,000
    Kicker or Punter $2,977,000




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    No agent to me means that he knows Oz and Steve will give him a fair deal.......story on Ravens site kind of supports that.
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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    All these sports shows like to create controversy by say Belicheck wants him but the Pats won't over pay for a safety who can bearely tackle. I love Ed and hope he stays but he is one bad hit away from the DL every time he steps on the field. They won't over pay for Ed Reed.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    A player gets paid not only for what he's done, but for future productivity. That's why I think Flacco's contract was fair. (a) 5 playoffs in 5 years, plus a Super Bowl MVP (b) he is 28 years old (c) the next 5 years could be his best, and I'm glad they will be played with a Ravens uniform on.
    Ed Reed is another story. He has been great, and has had a HOF career. Thing is he will turn 35 in September, slowed down the past few years, and may want more $$$ than the (cap strapped) Ravens are willing to part with. The Ravens let Heap, Mason, and Gregg go, and Ray retired. IMO Reed will only be a Raven if he wants to drastically cut salary or he can go play in New England... Bc




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    I think thanks to Flacco's cap friendly deal for this coming year, Reed gets a pretty decent one year contract and time to groom his successor and lead the defense one more year.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    I don't think Moriarty will over pay. They already said how they feel about signings based on sentimentality. Their going to do what's best moving forward. If they keep him, an no phone calls could be an indication, they will pay him according to scale. IMO I also feel that's what's best for the team.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by ed from Bel Air View Post
    I thought Ed's play last year, particularly in the playoffs, was underrated. Rather than being his usual gambling self, he stayed home, taking away the deep middle and preventing guys like Brady and Peyton from taking shots deep in the middle. Ed made a great blitz on the goal line stand, rushing Kapernek(sp?) forcing to him to throw quickly and inaccurately.

    I thought Ed had a better year this year than last. He still does not consistently tackle well, but he does pick his spots, I think he made a couple of key tackles near the goal line in the Super Bowl, as well.
    +1. We don't shut down (or slow down, at the very least) Denver or New England's passing games without #20 back there. The double moves Denver tore us apart with in the regular season disappeared in the playoff game and you're a fool if you don't think that's 100% Ed's doing. It was clear that neither Manning nor Brady wanted anything to do with the deep part of the field. I believe that coverage safeties are undervalued in the new NFL. This is especially true in our defense: QBs that avoid Ed are forced to throw into tighter underneath windows covered by our 3 very good corners. We want to force the ball in Webb and Graham's (and maybe even Simth's) zones so they can make plays, and #20 occupying another zone does just that.

    I honestly think Ed is a changed man this time around. He said a lot of very humble things about playing in Baltimore during and after the Super Bowl run. I also think he is excited about the prospect of playing the alpha leader in the absence of Ray Lewis' shadow. I[ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but I just see him genuinely wanting to be here and I believe he has a couple solid years of above average football in the tank.
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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland of Gilead View Post
    +1. We don't shut down (or slow down, at the very least) Denver or New England's passing games without #20 back there. The double moves Denver tore us apart with in the regular season disappeared in the playoff game and you're a fool if you don't think that's 100% Ed's doing. It was clear that neither Manning nor Brady wanted anything to do with the deep part of the field. I believe that coverage safeties are undervalued in the new NFL. This is especially true in our defense: QBs that avoid Ed are forced to throw into tighter underneath windows covered by our 3 very good corners. We want to force the ball in Webb and Graham's (and maybe even Simth's) zones so they can make plays, and #20 occupying another zone does just that.

    I honestly think Ed is a changed man this time around. He said a lot of very humble things about playing in Baltimore during and after the Super Bowl run. I also think he is excited about the prospect of playing the alpha leader in the absence of Ray Lewis' shadow. I[ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but I just see him genuinely wanting to be here and I believe he has a couple solid years of above average football in the tank.
    That's funny...I could have sworn I saw #20 - a gambling #20 at that - on the field when Peyton Manning was torching the Ravens in the 2nd half on December 16th.

    Would I love to have a healthy Reed for the next 2 years? Absolutely. But there is no way the Ravens can have any confidence that he can stay healthy at his age with his injury history.

    Plus. Any new contract has to be cap friendly for the Ravens this year...which means you have potential dead money in the out years.

    Sorry...love #20, and really wish he would have retired a Raven after getting his ring...but, unless he truly does give the home team a discount, there is no way he's back here next season.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    That's funny...I could have sworn I saw #20 - a gambling #20 at that - on the field when Peyton Manning was torching the Ravens in the 2nd half on December 16th.

    Would I love to have a healthy Reed for the next 2 years? Absolutely. But there is no way the Ravens can have any confidence that he can stay healthy at his age with his injury history.

    Plus. Any new contract has to be cap friendly for the Ravens this year...which means you have potential dead money in the out years.

    Sorry...love #20, and really wish he would have retired a Raven after getting his ring...but, unless he truly does give the home team a discount, there is no way he's back here next season.
    I don't dispute that, he got torched 100% in the regular season game. But he changed his strategy for the playoff run and it paid off in a big way.

    I am in the minority but I think a home town discount is a possibility for him. He's older and wiser now than the last time his contract was up.
    Long days and pleasant nights.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland of Gilead View Post
    +1. We don't shut down (or slow down, at the very least) Denver or New England's passing games without #20 back there. The double moves Denver tore us apart with in the regular season disappeared in the playoff game and you're a fool if you don't think that's 100% Ed's doing. It was clear that neither Manning nor Brady wanted anything to do with the deep part of the field. I believe that coverage safeties are undervalued in the new NFL. This is especially true in our defense: QBs that avoid Ed are forced to throw into tighter underneath windows covered by our 3 very good corners. We want to force the ball in Webb and Graham's (and maybe even Simth's) zones so they can make plays, and #20 occupying another zone does just that.

    I honestly think Ed is a changed man this time around. He said a lot of very humble things about playing in Baltimore during and after the Super Bowl run. I also think he is excited about the prospect of playing the alpha leader in the absence of Ray Lewis' shadow. I[ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but I just see him genuinely wanting to be here and I believe he has a couple solid years of above average football in the tank.
    Good analysis. What's coming out of Reed's mouth now sharply contrasts past years. Is there another player who seemed to enjoy this win more? From "two tickets to paradise", to walking the parade route allowing fans to touch the trophy, Oscar awards, etc. As a fan I want him back and to retire as a Raven. For such a young franchise, we've been very fortunate to have Ogden, Lewis and Reed; 3 certain HOFers with 2 of them(in my mind all 3) in the discussion as GOAT.




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    Re: Reed: I'm a Raven, waiting for a call

    Sorry folks, but Ed will be wearing the horseshoes. It just makes too much sense.

    Indy has $46 million in cap money to spend. And with the new salary floor, they HAVE to spend some money. Ed is probably looking for 2 years, maybe 3. Indy could do that for him, with a huge cap number each year, and no dead money to deal with when Ed comes off the books in a couple years. At that point they have to think about pricey extensions for Luck and their other younguns, but until then, the salary cap is a meaningless concept for them.

    I think Pags would love to have Ed to mentor his young team, help them understand his defense, learn to watch film, etc. Plus he still brings significant skills to the party. They can not only afford to overpay Ed, it actually may help them to do so.
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