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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful



    The ravens have the best scouts in the game. They find the value and the talent. I thought the thread would be about the free agents. They keep the guys like Rice, Webb and Joe who are clearly top ten at thier positions, but the the guys they can replace for less always seem to get replaced effectively. The Brown vs Birk deals a prime example.
    Small school prospect to check for is Jeremy Jester from Central Arkansas. He is a big time athlete that started as a Te at Tennessee but now is a de prospect with nice open field range and hands. His measurable s will be impressive but good luck finding decent game film on line.







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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    I'd take armstead at 32. Huge untapped potential and upside. I think he's going to be a great left tackle for a long time
    Uh, no. With a 1st round pick, Ozzie is going to want a guy who can step in and play right away. While I don't mind seeing Armstead on the Ravens roster in 2013, it won't be because he's the 32nd pick... Bc




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Uh, no. With a 1st round pick, Ozzie is going to want a guy who can step in and play right away. While I don't mind seeing Armstead on the Ravens roster in 2013, it won't be because he's the 32nd pick... Bc
    Ozzie will take the best player available regardless of pick if we stay at 32 (unless it's an obvious contradiction like QB). If we draft to fill a need, it will either be the best value at that spot, or we would have traded up or back for him.




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    If we draft to fill a need, it will either be the best value at that spot, or we would have traded up or back for him.
    Presuming Oz can find the necessary trade partners. Frankly I'm somewhat surprised he gets so many opportunities to maneuver--were I an NFL GM I'd lay a firm grip on my wallet whenever caller ID says it's Mr Newsome on the line. Then again, I guess these guys don't get to GMship without absolute certainty they're the smartest mofos in the bidniz...




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    The difference from Ozzie and most of the league is that the Ravens big board is usually unlike most others. Every team looks at the same players, but there is something that the Ravens are looking for that works that most of the league hasn't caught on too. Ozzie's going to pick whoever is on his board that has the best value at that particular slot. It's all about how a team values a player and the Ravens are top 3 in that category especially since they regularly draft in the backend of the early rounds.




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Difference is, the Ravens unlike most teams, are not afraid to invest into small school and unknown talent. I mean, what teams has ever had a Delaware center snapping the ball to a Delaware QB in the NFL?

    The Ravens clearly favor the ACC and SEC conferences, but a large portion of this team is made up by former college FCS players.
    The NFL is full of small school guys. DeMarcus Ware was the 11th overall pick and went to school at Troy University. I couldn't even tell you what conference Troy is in without looking it up. Now that's confidence in a small school player.
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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Uh, no. With a 1st round pick, Ozzie is going to want a guy who can step in and play right away. While I don't mind seeing Armstead on the Ravens roster in 2013, it won't be because he's the 32nd pick... Bc
    I know he got hurt, but Jimmy Smith wasn't slated to start right away. At 32, I think Ozzie would take a LT even if he had to red-shirt him for one season.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    The NFL is full of small school guys. DeMarcus Ware was the 11th overall pick and went to school at Troy University. I couldn't even tell you what conference Troy is in without looking it up. Now that's confidence in a small school player.
    At least Troy is 1-A football (lower level 1-A but still..) and played BCS teams frequently.




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    Keep in mind that LT, much like QB (but to a lesser degree) go higher than their actual talent level based on importance of position. I can't see Armstead lasting through another 31 teams if he's there at 32. I am all for moving up in the 2nd round though. I'd rather grab a S/ILB/DL in the 1st and move up for Armstead in the second and sacrifice a few picks. Would much rather address needs early than end up with 11 guys who will slowly become irrelevant. I think this draft is going to have a lot of moving around to address needs and OZ is damn good at that. Real pumped to watch
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    Armstead is going to be overdrafted based on his workouts...but nobody can deny the man is an amazing athlete.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Armstead is going to be overdrafted based on his workouts...but nobody can deny the man is an amazing athlete.
    it was his workout that made me look for as much tape as possible. I watched the senior bowl east west shrine and four college games. I had one missed block on level two and one sack in one of the bowl games.

    He pulled a lot getting blocks on level two. Has the feet and the shadow technique (that's not the official name) to just push speed rushers around the back of the qb.

    He has unbelievable potential, I'd easily put his ceiling up with fisher etc if he gets the right coaching. Obviously his floor would also be lower and that's why he's the wrong side of the first round.

    I think he could be great, his potential imo is higher than anyone else that will be there at 32




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Armstead is going to be overdrafted based on his workouts...but nobody can deny the man is an amazing athlete.
    He reminds me of the defensive lineman, something Gilbert, a couple of years ago who was able to jump out of a pool. That shot his draft stock way up. The Bears drafted him and he sucked. Pretty sure he's out of the NFL now.
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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Has the feet and the shadow technique (that's not the official name) to just push speed rushers around the back of the qb.
    I obviously have never seen Pine-Bluff play, so I just leave evaluation of these types of players to others, but this is, IMO the single most important skill for a LT....

    Anyone that has followed my posting history on Oher will notice that this is what I CONSTANLY slam him for, he has absolutely NO DESIRE to even try to do this on a regular basis. It's why I always say he is trying to PLay LT like a guard... because guards go belly to belly and try and outmuscle each other... LT's shadow their opponent and keep distance.

    On a guy like this, if the Ravens choose to select him, I will trust their evaluationa dn value judgement. IMo, from a very far disatance away, 32 seems too early.




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    Re: Ravens are not afraid to search all rosters, that's why they are successful

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I know he got hurt, but Jimmy Smith wasn't slated to start right away. At 32, I think Ozzie would take a LT even if he had to red-shirt him for one season.
    Jimmy Smith (Colorado) was the 3rd CB taken (behind P. Peterson #5 to Cardinals and Amukamara #19 to Giants in 2011). Are you equating him and Armstead at the same draft level? I sure don't... Bc




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    Small schoolers are hard to hit on and the Ravens have been amazing at it




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