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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?



    If he really wants to stay, five million per year, for his position, is good money to stay. However, it's not often that guys get to experience FA.
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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    At this point the only Ravens I expect back is Ed Reed believe it or not.

    At least McKinnie, Ellerbe, Kruger, and Cary Williams will give us some good picks next year. We will bring in some guys through FA.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    I think only Ellerbe before the market opens sign. He will be a Raven. Also think Reed will stay home but do hit the market first. Everyone else will chase the money.




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    I dont think theres going to be a huge market for Reed, and i think hes content with a wait and see approach. I dont think he really wants to play elsewhere, so as long as were saying wed like him back, which we are, he probably lingers. Make no mistake though, Im sure those 3 or 4 teams that are interested will throw their offers out there early. If theres a big one say from NO or even NE, that we just cant match, i wouldnt be surprised if he signed the first week.

    Kruger is gone. Hes going to get thrown a good deal and honestly we just cant match without hampering ourselves elsewhere.

    Ellerbe, I think will have a huge market, but ILB seem to linger on the market longer than others. Lofton i believe signed the first week, but Hawthorne was available late and McClain garnered little to no interest at all. Ellerbe has out played those later two, but im still not sure he has the same value as Lofton, although he is the top FA at ILB so maybe thats all that matters to get a similar deal. I was thinking 4-5 is about as high as hes worth. If it goes to 6 i think "right player, right price" takes over, and we start looking for other options. I do admit hes a priority.

    McKinnie is another animal. I dont think there will be a large market for him. I also think hes going to take the best deal he gets offered. I dont think well be his best deal. the play was night and day better with him, but that just proves we need a better LT not necessarily McKinnie and his headaches. I still think some team will bring him in the first week if nothing more than to see where hes at physically so if he is on the market longer they can see if hes remained in shape or fallen out completely.

    Cary we pretty much are aware were losing. I think he did similar to joe, bet on himself and won. 3/15 is going to look pretty cheap after he signs his contract.

    So really Im not really sure who we keep. I know my priorities would be Ellerbe, Kruger, Reed, McKinnie, Williams but factoring in money they expect, Id really only go after Ellerbe and Reed. Of those two, i can only see Reed not taking his highest offer to be here. I dont blame ellerbe for that either, he doesnt have the money these others do.
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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    For what its worth, Curtis Lofton was garbage this year, and was a big part of the issue with the Saints D. That may have been due to injury or some other reason, and I'm not saying Ellerbe will be the same, but its something to consider before throwing Ellerbe a bunch of money.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    For what its worth, Curtis Lofton was garbage this year, and was a big part of the issue with the Saints D. That may have been due to injury or some other reason, and I'm not saying Ellerbe will be the same, but its something to consider before throwing Ellerbe a bunch of money.
    Im not sure of what happened in NO. I know hawthorne wasnt as good either but was injured some. Both of those guys were some of the better ILB in the league before going to NO. I think that has a lot to do with the team moreso than the player, in this case.
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    I think people may be underestimating the market for McKinnie. What did Jarred Gaither sign for last year? That guy has been an enigma his whole career. McKinnie while usually not playing up to his potential and being a bit aloof, has certainly outplayed Gaither. Starting LT's in this league get paid. Especially one's from a Superbowl winning team that end up FA's.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    I think people may be underestimating the market for McKinnie. What did Jarred Gaither sign for last year? That guy has been an enigma his whole career. McKinnie while usually not playing up to his potential and being a bit aloof, has certainly outplayed Gaither. Starting LT's in this league get paid. Especially one's from a Superbowl winning team that end up FA's.
    Jarred Gaither is even now, still a young talent, and I'm not sure if teams were aware of his character issues at the time. He is really talented and thats what teams saw. McKinnie is well on the wrong side of 30, and its well known that he is a lazy offseason worker. I think McKinnie will get a 2/3 year contract somewhere for 3/4 M a year. Whether that's here or not, we'll see.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    Ellerbe is THE priority right now but he'll surely want to see what he's worth on the open market. Same for Kruger although he's not as much of a priority for me. (I don't know ---I just think he knew this was a contract season and played above and beyond his head. Would not be easy but he's replaceable IMO.)

    Would love to get BMac back if the price is right and if his mindset/motivation is still where it was during this post-season.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    I think people may be underestimating the market for McKinnie. What did Jarred Gaither sign for last year? That guy has been an enigma his whole career. McKinnie while usually not playing up to his potential and being a bit aloof, has certainly outplayed Gaither. Starting LT's in this league get paid. Especially one's from a Superbowl winning team that end up FA's.
    4/24.6 for a 25 year old talented but injury prone LT. McKinnie's age is the bigger factor not his play. When healthy Id say Gaither is actually better, but McKinnie plays more often if only to part of his potential. For a guy that obviously doesnt take care of himself as well as he should, youll see the side effects of his work ethic at the end of his career. one of the reasons im not sure the Ravens will be as heavily after him as most seem to think. Im not doubting some team will pay him, i just dont think itll be the Ravens to match it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Werewolf View Post
    Would love to get BMac back if the price is right and if his mindset/motivation is still where it was during this post-season.
    His motivation was not to win a Superbowl. His motivation was to get another contract, a big one. His interviews are very telling of a guy thats only about the money.
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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    4/24.6 for a 25 year old talented but injury prone LT. McKinnie's age is the bigger factor not his play. When healthy Id say Gaither is actually better, but McKinnie plays more often if only to part of his potential. For a guy that obviously doesnt take care of himself as well as he should, youll see the side effects of his work ethic at the end of his career. one of the reasons im not sure the Ravens will be as heavily after him as most seem to think. Im not doubting some team will pay him, i just dont think itll be the Ravens to match it.



    His motivation was not to win a Superbowl. His motivation was to get another contract, a big one. His interviews are very telling of a guy thats only about the money.
    If the price is right, McKinnie is the better option then nearly everything else we could possibly have next season, unless the Ravens get bold and sign a Jake Long in FA, or trade up a bunch to get a Lane Johnson, neither is going to happen.

    There are other guys like Sam Baker, Jerome Bushrod, Sebastian Vollmer, etc, but even those guys may cost more than Ozzie is willing to pay.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    I don't see McKinnie back here. I think the Ravens FO will be reluctant to give him any kind of multi year deal.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    If the price is right, McKinnie is the better option then nearly everything else we could possibly have next season, unless the Ravens get bold and sign a Jake Long in FA, or trade up a bunch to get a Lane Johnson, neither is going to happen.

    There are other guys like Sam Baker, Jerome Bushrod, Sebastian Vollmer, etc, but even those guys may cost more than Ozzie is willing to pay.
    Im not disagreeing with that. Hes a cheap option theoretically, but the Ravens will not overpay for him. I dont think hes going to have a huge market because hes 34. I dont think the Ravens will want to invest much into him, because ideally hes a stop gap and likely to considerably fall off talent wise and/or health wise. Some other team is likely to offer more than the Ravens whether thats overall or years/guaranteed. I dont see him being with us next year. Albert and beatty not being on the market has more to with that than anything. the more that sign before FA, the higher McKinnies value goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I don't see McKinnie back here. I think the Ravens FO will be reluctant to give him any kind of multi year deal.
    which is where i think we wont match. some team will gamble and give him a multi year deal simply to "win" him. I just dont see us matching and eating dead money when well likely draft his replacement this year.
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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Im not disagreeing with that. Hes a cheap option theoretically, but the Ravens will not overpay for him. I dont think hes going to have a huge market because hes 34. I dont think the Ravens will want to invest much into him, because ideally hes a stop gap and likely to considerably fall off talent wise and/or health wise. Some other team is likely to offer more than the Ravens whether thats overall or years/guaranteed. I dont see him being with us next year. Albert and beatty not being on the market has more to with that than anything. the more that sign before FA, the higher McKinnies value goes.
    Yeah true, can't disagree with this.




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    Re: Who do the Ravens Re-Sign before Free Agency?

    It would not surprise me at all if none of them were signed back. As JAB has mentioned, we've long knew that Cary Williams would be leaving. Although I do not think the best of him as a player, his play down the stretch improved and, likely, enough for someone to pay him more than 3/15. If Brandon Carr, the second best CB for the Chiefs, can get 50 mil on the open market, I think Cary can get more than 3/15. Even Cary Williams has admitted that he is not a priority and likely gone.

    Paul Kruger is another player that is gone.

    In all honesty, if I were an UDFA with no youthful ties to Baltimore, I would test the market too. So, it would not surprise me if Ellerbe did the same. JAB is right that the ILBs seemed to linger out there for a while last year. The other issue about Dannell Ellerbe is health. All of the other major players that the Ravens have re-signed, have had quality track records when it came to not missing games. Ellerbe has never started a full 16 game season. That would concern me. Which is why I think Ozzie will be dead set on his number. There will be ILBs of his like, to be had in the draft, along with less expensive veterans on the open market.

    The key, at this point, would be to find yourself a darn good NT. That way, you LBs are kept clean and Ngata can stay at NG where he can better utilize his pass rushing skills. So, I could see a situation where Ellerbe goes, but Casey Hampton arrives, along with two ILBs in the draft.

    I think 3-4 million is where Ozzie tops out for Reed and I think Reed will test the market. If other teams agree that Reed still covers up for a lot on the back end, I could see a team offering him enough for him to sign elsewhere.
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