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03-18-2013, 06:05 PM #649"The Ravens are not taking Jimmy Smith at 26!" -- Me, the day before the 2011 Draft
"On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the 2015 Draft
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03-18-2013, 06:08 PM #650
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Does Dumervil play OLB or DE in the 3-4? I'd love to have him here, but in a way, he's kind've like another Suggs. Both 260 pounds, Suggs is about 4 inches taller.
If Suggs doesn't return to form, it'd be nice to have a replacement on roster if he does become a 2014 cap casualty. That said, if he's pretty expensive, I could understand not closing the deal right now..
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Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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03-18-2013, 06:24 PM #653
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Gotcha...
Again then...Does it makes sense to sign him when you have Suggs and Upshaw as your starters? He's just a year younger than Suggs, so it's not like Upshaw and Dumervil are our "OLBs of the future"...
Don't get me wrong, I'd love having his pass rush ability here, I just see this as another "luxury" when we need to fill so many other holes more..
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“When I think of a Baltimore Raven - we go in there, we take your lunch box, we take your sandwich, we take your juice box, we take your applesauce, and we take your spork and we break it. And we leave you with an empty lunch. That’s the Baltimore Raven way.” - Steve Smith Sr.
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You don't see nickel rusher as a hole? I think it's a really underrated role on this team. This defense is very multiple and needs all the pass rushers it can get, look at what Seattle has done, they now have four pretty good pass rushers on their team. This is where the game is heading right now.
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03-18-2013, 06:34 PM #655
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“When I think of a Baltimore Raven - we go in there, we take your lunch box, we take your sandwich, we take your juice box, we take your applesauce, and we take your spork and we break it. And we leave you with an empty lunch. That’s the Baltimore Raven way.” - Steve Smith Sr.
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I get this and don't disagree with anything you said.
Let me play devil's advocate though:
Point A: While the league is moving away from the thumping Safety (a hypothesis that seems to carry some validity), does that mean that Pollard still is no longer the caliber of player who can start for a top 10 defense? His 2011 play seems to indicate the contrary. When the players around him in 2011 were healthy and performing at a good level, Pollard's play was evaluated favorably. In 2012, when the Raven defense became a MASH unit and the pass rush was floundering without Sizzle, Pollard was never viewed as a culprit. A lot of people viewed him far more as the backbone to our success than a culprit to our struggles (like Cody, for instance, was). Yet, as you could see in the moments when our defensive depth chart became thinner, that Pollard was more of a "glue" type player than one who could succeed wholly on his own. Nobody viewed him as a star before, but 2012 showed us even more intensively that Pollard was a role player. He was a very capable role player, but not the type of player you can put out there on an island and expect great results. If Michael Huff was placed in a similar position of evaluation, I can't imagine that the results would be any better. He is nothing more than a role player, who happens to be better in pass coverage and weaker in run support. I just don't see how the Ravens would rid themselves of Pollard, at the detriment of the 2013 and 2014 cap, only to bring in Huff. If you are going to pay a premium to rid yourselves of Pollard's liabilities, why would you then go and spend even more money to bring in another non-descript veteran in Huff? Huff is much like Pollard in terms of overall diversity of talent. He's not going to lose to many games or win you too many. If the Ravens are going to pay $3 million this year for that type of player, they might as well have kept Pollard. The upgrade in pass coverage from Huff's sound, but not dominant ability to Pollard's below average ability is offset by what we'd miss with Pollard's hitting.
If the 2013 Raven defense is one where the desired outcome is to get younger, faster, and cheaper, Huff only semi-fits in the faster category. He's not a difference maker. Put him in the 2011 version of the Ravens defense and he likely looks solid much like Pollard. Put him in the 2013 lean-heavier-on-rookies type defense that we expect and what's to justify having him there at all? We'd be better off rolling the dice on a rookie (or two rookies as starters) than paying 4xs as much to a player who has such a low ceiling at this stage of his career.
Point B: Pollard's play was evaluated so favorably, in fact, that the Ravens gave him an extension after just one year. That breaks from the Raven M.O. in a lot of ways. Graham and Jacoby each came on a two year deal. To date, neither has been given any form extension, even though you would think their brilliant play down the stretch might make them more deserving that Pollard was the previous offseason. Up until the day of his release, I can think of just one guy on this board who even hinted at the notion of Pollard being a potential cap cut and his notion was summarily dismissed by everyone here (including me). In my humble opinion, and I'm a guilty party, once we learned that Pollard was a goner, we rationalized it by emphasizing his flaws in coverage, while ignoring his unique talent as a thumper.
#3- I'm not convinced that the Steve Atwater/Chuck Cecil/Bernard Pollard/Rodney Harrison/Jack Tatum lights out type of Safety will ever become extinct. I think that is something we are telling ourselves right now to make the pain/panic from the Pollard release more defensible. Certain coaching staffs will always see value in that type of player, even at the expense of penalties and suspensions.
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Plus, he turns 28 in November, which is a bit old for a player entering his 5th season. This isn't a sour grapes justification of why he was expendable from a Raven fan. This is the opinion I've seen from every piece of analysis out there. I'm not sure there was a move that was rated as worse so far this offseason than what Miami gave Ellerbe.
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