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  1. #391

    Re: All Things Draft:



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I know we've been talking about ILBs, but......

    There is no reason in the world why Jonathan Cyprien should not be a first round prospect. The only hole in his game is the name of his school.

    I actually like Cyprien more for the Ravens than Elam. Whoever gets Elam is going to get a Day 1 starter that will make an impact quickly. However, Cyprien seems to play with more body control and savvy. If the Ravens are looking for an enforcer, Elam is that guy and he would still be a coverage upgrade over Benard Pollard. However, if they are looking for more of a coverage SS who can still play the run and blitz, Cyprien is that guy. He can do it all. He'll probably go in the second round, but he is a first round worthy prospect.
    I've seen him going in the first round in a lot of mocks.

    Also saw this today in re safeties... I'll be interested to see part 2:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...GlvbnM-;_ylv=3




  2. #392
    Nobody is going to argue against Cyprien...in fact out of the 2, I think he in fact has the better shot at being a first rounder than Elam.


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    Re: All Things Draft:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Oz double dips at Safety, going 1 early and then another in 5/6.




  4. #394

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    Cyprien is a guy that i'd have a hard time believing Oz would pass up at 32, problem is i dont think he get's to 32 with the need at safety for the 49ers. A Huff/Cyprien back end would be outstanding.




  5. #395

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    In terms of double dipping at safety I completely agree. I expect a developmental FS guy late. My favourite is Josh Evans in the 5th
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    Re: All Things Draft:

    I see Tony Pauline is tweeting that he thinks there's a very good chance that Miami will take DJ Fluker @ 11, which implies that Johnson goes before then and thus a huge early run on LT's. I think the more likely there's runs on OTs and QBs, the more likely a really good player falls to us at 32.




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    Re: All Things Draft:

    There is one concern that I have about Elam. Elam tends to throw his body around more wrecklessly than Cyprien. While he is still a very good tackler, despite looking for the shoulder shot more than the form tackle, I can't help, but to think that his style will lend itself to more injuries.
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    If the Ravens have to take Cyprien in the first, I would take him without flinching.
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  9. #399

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    Would anyone take a flyer on Keenan Allen if he were to drop to 32?

    Cossell compared him to Reggie Wayne when he came out.

    I like him, but there is something about him that makes me not think of him as a first rounder...I'm concerned about his lack of explosiveness.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    From watching him for years beating up Pac-12 (and my Oregon) DB's, yeah, Keenan Allen is flat-out a 1st rounder to me. I think he won't be there for us because once he has his pro day today and teams see that he is healthy, he will shoot up the mock draft boards again.




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    Aaaaand Allen's pro day is OVAH! Here is a link to a series of twets about what happened:

    https://twitter.com/James_Dator

    Sounds like he impressed.




  12. #402

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    4.7 40 plus is a bad time.

    He definitely isn't a burner on tape, but he doesn't look that slow.

    Maybe the injury is still hurting him.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  13. #403

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Would anyone take a flyer on Keenan Allen if he were to drop to 32?

    Cossell compared him to Reggie Wayne when he came out.

    I like him, but there is something about him that makes me not think of him as a first rounder...I'm concerned about his lack of explosiveness.
    I've been a little lower on Allen than some throughout the process but at 32 he's a great value. I don't think he's a top 10 caliber player at all, which is where he was often mocked previously, but he is a good prospect.

    I think I was too hard on him in the past and kind of putting too much of Cal's general offensive ineptitude on him. He didn't demonstrate a full route tree or a lot of technical savvy, but that's really because Cal didn't ask him to. There are still a lot of questions as to whether he can get separation downfield, whether he can be a legit #1, what kind of offense does he fit best in, etc. but if he's available at 32 he's a definite BPA candidate.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I've been a little lower on Allen than some throughout the process but at 32 he's a great value. I don't think he's a top 10 caliber player at all, which is where he was often mocked previously, but he is a good prospect.

    I think I was too hard on him in the past and kind of putting too much of Cal's general offensive ineptitude on him. He didn't demonstrate a full route tree or a lot of technical savvy, but that's really because Cal didn't ask him to. There are still a lot of questions as to whether he can get separation downfield, whether he can be a legit #1, what kind of offense does he fit best in, etc. but if he's available at 32 he's a definite BPA candidate.
    He also had bad QB play


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    James Dator‏@James_Dator1h
    Overheard a scout (not sure which team) compare Allen to Cris Carter.... So there's that
    That's completely absurd. CC had the best hands in the history of Earth.
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