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  1. #31
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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger



    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    At least the Bills have a guy on the other side of him. If Kruger ends up on the Browns he'd completely disappear. It would be fun to watch the Browns blow through all that cap money and still suck.
    And give us a great Comp pick in the process.




  2. Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    If we were to decided that we need to retain Kruger, given the money he'll likely be offered, I think our best bet would be to pin him with the non-exclusive franchise tag. That way we can pay him for a year with a total that would likely probably be less than $10m (I'm guessing, I don't know what that tag on an outside linebacker would be this year), and then we can use 2013 to see whether he builds on 2012 or reverts to the mean. What we don't want to do is hand him a 4-5 year contract with a big bonus that averages $10m a year.

    So, my guess would be that by the time the franchise tags are all applied or not applied, we'll pretty much know if Kruger is coming back next year, barring the market for him inexplicably collapsing. The non-exclusive franchise tag here is a big advantage for us if want to keep him and are able to pay him anything near market value.

    If we don't feel we can, then we won't, and once he hits the open market, a team with tons of cap room will sign him, and it won't necessarily be a bad move for said team. Some of these teams are $30-40m beneath the cap and need to hit at least the payroll floor. So a long-term deal for a guy who is relatively young coming off a big season isn't as big of a risk for them as it is for a team like Baltimore with less cap space. To the Clevelands of the world, they might be $35m under, sign Kruger and be $25m under, and even if he takes a step backwards they at least have a solid outside linebacker and plenty of cap room, it's not financially crippling to them at all, and the upside is that they might have one of the league's premiere pass rushers if Kruger picks up where he left off this past season or gets better.

    I mean, it's something like this. If your personal finances are tight, buying even a DVD player or something might be a big deal that you have to look at your budget and weigh against other things. If you're a billionaire, you might go out and buy three Internet connected Blu-Ray players just because without a second thought. Right now, the Ravens' finances are tight. The Browns and other teams have tons of money to play with. There are deals that are not going to make sense for us that'll be excellent deals for them.
    Last edited by CharmCityCrab; 03-04-2013 at 04:41 PM.




  3. #33

    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    They are being a bit too simple-minded. They think that to win the division, they have to get to Brady. Now, that's largely true--at least get Brady moving--but they are completely neglecting every other unit on their team. Crazy.
    where did you get your avatar. everytime i see it it cracks me up.




  4. #34

    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Kruger had a good run but for the most part i saw O-lineman fling him into the backfield a lot and become a non-factor on a tackle or sack. he picked up one sack against Oakland when the QB fell down behind the center and Krueger happened to be the first one to touch him so he got the sack. good luck, make your money and return a good compensatory pick.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Maybe I skimmed this thread too fast, so apologies if I missed it, but isn't this discussion of Kruger's likely contract value overlooking an important factor? That is, supply and demand.

    Even after the Bengals franchised Michael Johnson, I think I recall that there are a decent number of free agents who could be OLB/DE pass rusher types.

    Older guys like Abraham and Freeney -- which teams could see as short term stopgaps who they would supplement with a young draft pick, rather than throw money at Kruger if the money gets silly. I think Shaun Phillips is done in San Diego and on the market as another older OLB who is coming off a decent bounce-back year.

    Also, I think Conner Barwin is out there, and he could be good value coming off an injury. Barwin only 26 years old, so unlike Freeney and Abraham he is a longer term solution more comparable to Kruger. In 2011, he had 11.5 sacks but just 3 sacks in 2012 after an injury issue and JJ Watt taking over the role of pass rusher. Still, I'll take Barwin's track record over Kruger I think.

    Anthony Spencer is a guy I loved coming out of Purdue and I think he's in his walk year with the Cowboys. He's more of an all around player, though not really a 3-4 OLB.

    Clif Avril I think is a much better player than Kruger so for the kind of money people are talking about, I'm thinking teams go after him with Kruger as a fall back option.

    Besides, if I'm the Ravens I am more interested in cheap veteran who can tackle and play the pass than I am in a sack specialist. Daryl Smith of the Jags Michael Boley, who is 30, had 92 tackles for the Giants in just 13 games last year, both fit the bill and would be smarter investments.

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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Spencer has just been tagged now as well so Kruger is the probably the no.1 pas rusher available.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    I don't think Kruger is worth $10 mil, but I do think he can play some ball. Last year he had 6 sacks and played less, splitting time with J.J and McPhee. Lets not forget who he was playing behind in 2011, double J was a lunch pale player. Lets also not forget the route they tried to take with Freddy, OLB to DE and back to OLB.
    This year he had 9 sacks in the regular season and showed some great burst and hands off the line. Worth $10 mil? No, but completely fall off, I doubt it, he will post another 9-10 sack season and get some pressure on the QB.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    I don't think Kruger is worth $10 mil, but I do think he can play some ball. Last year he had 6 sacks and played less, splitting time with J.J and McPhee. Lets not forget who he was playing behind in 2011, double J was a lunch pale player. Lets also not forget the route they tried to take with Freddy, OLB to DE and back to OLB.
    This year he had 9 sacks in the regular season and showed some great burst and hands off the line. Worth $10 mil? No, but completely fall off, I doubt it, he will post another 9-10 sack season and get some pressure on the QB.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven View Post
    Kruger had a good run but for the most part i saw O-lineman fling him into the backfield a lot and become a non-factor on a tackle or sack. he picked up one sack against Oakland when the QB fell down behind the center and Krueger happened to be the first one to touch him so he got the sack. good luck, make your money and return a good compensatory pick.
    Speaking of non-factor on a tackle, teams ran on him all season. Ravens aren't spending on half a player. The Skins ran all over him. Watch the tape. Their RB ran up the middle and Kruger dived for him and missed. He ran down to the red zone and then they scored. Ravens would have won had Kruger forced a 40 yd FG had he made the tackle. Other teams ran on him too.

    Ozzie drafted Upshaw with no intention of signing Kruger especially at his rates.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven View Post
    where did you get your avatar. everytime i see it it cracks me up.
    haha...Glad you like it; and it serves that very purpose.

    I did a generic google image search a few years ago; "funny pics", I think it was. Got pages and pages of hits of course, but the ostrich immediately had me in tears laughing.
    I use it across the web for my various accounts. It's a constant reminder to myself to have fun...seldom should life be taken seriously.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

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  11. #41

    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    You think he will still be a first round pick with that ACL injury? I was thinking that the Ravens might have a shot at him if they traded up in the second round.
    I like Carradine a lot as well, along with Brandon Jenkins as far as their pass rushing abilities go. He's an intriguing prospect though. Carradine's saying that he is close to being fully healthy and that he'd be ready to go by mini camp. His measureables are interesting at 6'4 276 and I'd wonder where he'd fit but he's a rangy, electrifying edge guy. I'm interested in him at 32, as long as his knee checks out ok, I think it'd be a nice selection.




  12. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Speaking of non-factor on a tackle, teams ran on him all season. Ravens aren't spending on half a player. The Skins ran all over him. Watch the tape. Their RB ran up the middle and Kruger dived for him and missed. He ran down to the red zone and then they scored. Ravens would have won had Kruger forced a 40 yd FG had he made the tackle. Other teams ran on him too.

    Ozzie drafted Upshaw with no intention of signing Kruger especially at his rates.
    Well Kruger's speciality was rushing the QB and for what it's worth every team ran on the ravens for much of the season.




  13. #43

    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Just like I was high on Doss, once upon a time; I was actually down on Kruger. I didn't think he had it in him, and whether 2012 was a flash or the beginning of a trend, he's come a long way as a pro. If I was a Ute', I'd be thumping my chest over the guy.

    In this win-now league though, Kruger is going to get paid, and that's great for him.
    I just have a hard time throwing $8-10M/per at a guy who I think is interchangeable/replaceable.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

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  14. #44

    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Did teams have to game-plan for Kruger last year? Doubt it. It's not like he was Dwight Freeney in his prime, even with his cool spin move.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Those who are miffed that Kruger didn't put it all together until he was a short-timer here should credit whatever shit-for-brains-trust on the coaching staff decided to bulk him up into a defensive end. That stalled his development for at least a year & more like 18 months. Frankly I was surprised he sounded willing to come back at all. I don't recall what geenyuss thought that one up but I presume he's gone (Gramps?).




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