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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger



    I think we're always going to need a nickel rusher while we have Upshaw. Upshaw is a talented player and will probably turn out to be the best run defending 3-4 OLB in the league, but I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to offer a great amount of productivity as a pass rusher.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The guy had 7 sacks last year with "incredible" players like Frostee Rucker and Ju'Qua Parker playing opposite of him.

    Sheard is no DeMarcus Ware, but he is pretty good and I think playing for Ray Horton is going to make him a lot better.
    He isn't an elite athletic pass rusher that is going to scare you in the film room like an Aldon Smith, a healthy Terrell Suggs, or a JJ Watt would. He is a much better run defender than he is a pass rusher, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be a 7-10 sack a year guy with the right person opposite him.

    Btw Cleveland have some pretty good DTs.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Appreciate all Kruger has done for us but we don't overpay situational players. Suggs has become the new Ray. The OLBs opposite of him go to new teams and thrive in mediocrity. Atleast, kinda lol.
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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    As already stated by others Kruger is just not that good.......he had a nice year and made a few plays. And in the NFL there are teams that will pay 9 million a year, etc just to keep the fans filling the seats.
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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Two words:

    Courtney Upshaw


    Kruger did a lot for us, but without Suggs on the other side he is average, there is now way in hell I pay him that.
    I don't disagree that Upshaw is the future and Kruger is likely gone from Baltimore, but the notion that Suggs' return played a role in Kruger's breakout is totally wrong.

    I understand that Kruger posted more sacks/game after Suggs returned, but correlation does not equal causation. Suggs' return and Kruger's "rise" (which wasn't really a rise because he was pressuring the QB at the same rate overall the entire season, he just got more sacks in the latter half) happened at the same time but had nothing to do with one another.

    If you go back and watch the tape teams were not doubling, chipping, or otherwise scheming around Suggs at all. In fact, Suggs was a complete nonfactor as a pass rusher outside of the Houston and Denver games this year. Kruger was our only legit edge rushing option whether Suggs was in the lineup or not.

    I'm not saying this to bash Suggs but merely to point out that Kruger's production wasn't due to anything other than him playing at a high level. Wave your hand at it and call it "easily replaced" as much as you want but if it could be so easily replaced one would think pass rushers would be as cheap as kickers or punters.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

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    I would disagree with this. Jabaal Sheard is pretty good.
    Jabaal Sheard is very good but in the new look Browns defense I'm not sure what he going to do or where he's even going to play. I even read a rumor that he might be traded for Nick Foles! Seems insane to me which is why I can't see it happening.
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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
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    Courtney Upshaw


    Kruger did a lot for us, but without Suggs on the other side he is average, there is now way in hell I pay him that.
    Spot on Capn. Kruger will only be as good as the guy lining up on the other side of the D.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I don't disagree that Upshaw is the future and Kruger is likely gone from Baltimore, but the notion that Suggs' return played a role in Kruger's breakout is totally wrong.

    I understand that Kruger posted more sacks/game after Suggs returned, but correlation does not equal causation. Suggs' return and Kruger's "rise" (which wasn't really a rise because he was pressuring the QB at the same rate overall the entire season, he just got more sacks in the latter half) happened at the same time but had nothing to do with one another.

    If you go back and watch the tape teams were not doubling, chipping, or otherwise scheming around Suggs at all. In fact, Suggs was a complete nonfactor as a pass rusher outside of the Houston and Denver games this year. Kruger was our only legit edge rushing option whether Suggs was in the lineup or not.

    I'm not saying this to bash Suggs but merely to point out that Kruger's production wasn't due to anything other than him playing at a high level. Wave your hand at it and call it "easily replaced" as much as you want but if it could be so easily replaced one would think pass rushers would be as cheap as kickers or punters.


    Kruger is getting severally under valued by a lot of posters here, and its because of his past rep as an under whelming player. He has emerged into a top tier pass rusher whether people like it or not, some wont get it out of their heads that Kruger isn't just some depth rotational player anymore, the guy can get to the QB. I also laugh at the notion that I hear every day around here about Kruger playing only a 3rd of the defensive snaps, that is completely false and untrue, he played almost 90 % of the snaps against NE. He's an every down player and is going to get paid like one. Not saying he's an elite pass rusher yet or anything, but he is going to get a lot of money because of his age, and upside.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Jabaal Sheard is very good but in the new look Browns defense I'm not sure what he going to do or where he's even going to play. I even read a rumor that he might be traded for Nick Foles! Seems insane to me which is why I can't see it happening.
    Trading him for Nick Foles would make no sense, because Philly are also going to a 3-4 scheme.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    No way is Kruger on the Ravens next year. I agree that Upshaw can handle the duties at OLB, but the Ravens will probably want to add another pass rusher. One guy I really like is Tank Carradine out of FSU. He tore his ACL in November so he will probably drop a bit in the draft, but should be ready to go by the time training camp roles around. I could see him as a situational pass rusher, much like Kruger was used last year.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824132




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    No way is Kruger on the Ravens next year. I agree that Upshaw can handle the duties at OLB, but the Ravens will probably want to add another pass rusher. One guy I really like is Tank Carradine out of FSU. He tore his ACL in November so he will probably drop a bit in the draft, but should be ready to go by the time training camp roles around. I could see him as a situational pass rusher, much like Kruger was used last year.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824132
    Tank Carradine is a freak, and is going to go a lot higher than people think IMO. I'd love it if we got him at 32, he has some Aldon Smith in him.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Tank Carradine is a freak, and is going to go a lot higher than people think IMO. I'd love it if we got him at 32, he has some Aldon Smith in him.
    You think he will still be a first round pick with that ACL injury? I was thinking that the Ravens might have a shot at him if they traded up in the second round.




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    Don't mind this. Ellerbe, McKinney, and Ed should be our priorities in that order




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Been saying it and saying it, whatever teams signs him is going to be disappointed a year from now and wishing they could get out of paying a 6 sack player 16 sack player money. I'm just glad it won't be the Ravens.




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    Re: $10 million a Year for Kruger

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I'm not saying this to bash Suggs but merely to point out that Kruger's production wasn't due to anything other than him playing at a high level. Wave your hand at it and call it "easily replaced" as much as you want but if it could be so easily replaced one would think pass rushers would be as cheap as kickers or punters.
    Good post and spot on.

    Kruger has developed into a very good player. He's stronger rusher than passer than against the run, but it's hardly uncommon even for very good players to be far better in one aspect of the game than in other parts. JJ was better against the run than rushing the passer, for instance.

    Kruger isn't a keeper for the Ravens because they have Suggs, however. Suggs is paid. It's a done deal. If both Suggs and Kruger were free agents this off-season, the Ravens would have a tough choice to make (proven commodity over youth), but since they have Suggs in hand they can't afford to keep Kruger barring his doing something really perverse like taking a way-below-market contract to stay with the Ravens. As fans, we'd love it. The NFLPA would be pissed. And Kruger would be an idiot.

    It's a weak free agent year, which helps push up his value because he has developed into a good player who can do a lot for a team. He's not horrible in coverage (he's not great, either). He's fairly good against the run. He has the ability to be an every-down OLB. I don't think he's going to be a Pro Bowl staple wherever he goes, but he's the best available OLB, I believe, for those teams who think signing one is a key move for them this offseason.




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