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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Find a way to make it work with his current salary? Yes.
    No. There are many ways to spend that 4.3 million more efficiently. If we can make it work by keeping Leach, we can make it work even better by getting rid of him. We can't be emotionally attached to players when making these kinds of decisions.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Nah. He is a desirable keep but definitely not a must keep IMO. How much of a cut would he be willing to take?

    I'll say this though --if we do lose him that locker room will suddenly become a lot less meaner and tougher.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    No. There are many ways to spend that 4.3 million more efficiently. If we can make it work by keeping Leach, we can make it work even better by getting rid of him. We can't be emotionally attached to players when making these kinds of decisions.
    How does that make sense?

    Lowering Leach's cap hit to say, 1M would pretty much save the same amount as what it would if we cut him, once you take dead money and the cost of his roster replacement into account, and it would keep a valued luxury and a very good player on your offense.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    How does that make sense?

    Lowering Leach's cap hit to say, 1M would pretty much save the same amount as what it would if we cut him, once you take dead money and the cost of his roster replacement into account, and it would keep a valued luxury and a very good player on your offense.
    Can't lower his cap hit to 1m. The lowest his cap hit can be is 1.33m and that is if you cut him. If you keep him the lowest his cap hit can be is 2.2m. 1.3 + 900k vet minimum. Any fullback they signed would be closer to 400k. If Leach was willing to take Vet minimum you keep him. Any more than that and it does not really make sense.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    Can't lower his cap hit to 1m. The lowest his cap hit can be is 1.33m and that is if you cut him. If you keep him the lowest his cap hit can be is 2.2m. 1.3 + 900k vet minimum. Any fullback they signed would be closer to 400k. If Leach was willing to take Vet minimum you keep him. Any more than that and it does not really make sense.
    I'm talking about contract extensions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'm talking about contract extensions.
    Even if you extend him his lowest cap hit for this season would be 2.2m. You have to pay him the vet minimum in salary. There is nothing that can be done to lower the 1.33m as it was a bonus already paid.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    Even if you extend him his lowest cap hit for this season would be 2.2m. You have to pay him the vet minimum in salary. There is nothing that can be done to lower the 1.33m as it was a bonus already paid.
    Oh yeah excuse me.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    I thought it was weird when I heard this, because every time you're watching Leach you see him pancake some guy. But apparently the film shows that our offense is better when he's not on the field.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Give the man an extension and lower his cap figure.
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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Give the man an extension and lower his cap figure.
    Ditto. Leach is a beast! He's a Raven and still has value to us. I don't get this push to derive him off the team instead of just extending and lowering his cap number. Same for Jacoby and Boldin. Hell we kept Mason longer than his usefulness. Keep these guys while they are still impactful.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Leach gives your offense versatility. Caldwell just needs to be more creative with his I-formation scheme than Cameron was. When you get a lead in the fourth quarter, you still need to be able to crunch some clock sometimes. Leach helps you do that. There are still going to be teams that you will need to get physical with as well.
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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Leach is a guy you keep if your able to but sacrifice if you must. If letting go of Leach allows you to bring in a higher quality LT, DT then you have to do it IMO. If letting him go will not allow you to get another impact type guy at a position of need then you keep him.
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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Vonta is getting the 1.3 signing bonus money regardless of whether he plays or not, so that's not a factor. The 3m salary is the issue and I think something can be done there. Restructure/extend him at a bargain or let him go. They used him as a receiver a few times out of the backfield in an effort to use him outside of a blocker. Normally the defense avoids his hits so the idea of a DB running at him to initiate contact is my idea of fun.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    Not a must keep, but he allows the offense to dictate to the defense when he is on the field. Seeing leach in the backfield helps with the play action fake. Drawing the defense up in anticipation of a run will most likely get one one coverage for the receivers. If he stays cheap, keep him. You know fans love a hard hitting fullback like Leach. Foster missed him these last two years.




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    Re: VONTA LEACH: Is he a MUST KEEP?

    You don't want to fall into the trap of being a finesse offense that lacks physicality when it is needed. The Ravens just beat up on a team like that in the AFC Championship Game.
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