Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 42 of 42
  1. #31
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Mt. Arrogance in the middle of the .11 rolling acres of The Windbag Estates
    Posts
    4,492

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?



    Quote Originally Posted by Beerracuda View Post
    I say "no". The Ravens' existence, and their rapid rise to perpetual winner status is testament enough to the work that Art did for Baltimore. The HOF is a different argument altogether. The patch was never intended to be a reminder to put him in the HOF, and it shouldn't be used as such now. That dispute is better left settled by other means.

    By the way, is Art in the Ring of Honor? If not, he definitely should be.
    Yes, he has been for several years.




  2. #32
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Canton, Illinois
    Posts
    33

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    No.




  3. Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beerracuda View Post
    By the way, is Art in the Ring of Honor? If not, he definitely should be.
    Yup. He's in there. Banners on both sides of the field between decks (They put a banner for every inductee on both sides right now- I imagine as the number grows, they'll have to just do one to a customer, though, to find space for them all).




  4. Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    This may sound odd coming from me, because I can sometimes be a controversial poster on some forums, but one thing we may want to consider is the effect having a perpetual arm patch to basically bully the Hall of Fame voters into inducting someone who most of the country views as a villan may have on how we're perceived by the league, the referees, the media, and national fans.

    We've had sort of a black hat type image to this point because of the move and Modell and that they didn't like Ray Lewis due to his past and his very strong personality or Brian Billick due to perceived arrogance and this, that, and the other, and all the close calls go against us and we lose games because of referee bias and the like. Now we have a different owner, a different head coach, and a low-key family-friendly Joe Flacco as the face of the franchise. Maybe we could be the chosen ones and start getting the calls and friendly press coverage and the like for a change. Unless we basically give everyone the finger and do stuff like put a patch for Modell on our uniforms for the next 20 years. I'm just saying. Modell probably would rather we get calls and win then wear a patch in perpetuity (Doing it for a year was absolutely the right thing to do and so is having him in the Ring of Honor, etc., but there coming a point where it'll be viewed as excessive and become something people don't like about us if we push it too far).

    Just throwing that out there. Food for thought. My first post in this thread is my main response, this is just a little side thought I had.




  5. #35
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Balmer Merlin Hon
    Posts
    3,674
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Wait a minute let me check something...

    As I suspected, same as Generalissimo Franco.

    JK.

    If it were up to me I'd say keep it on the uniforms. Modell wasn't just the owner, he was the founder. Without Art, there is no Baltimore Ravens Football Club. Kinda like George Washington wasn't just President, he was the first President. I mean c'mon, would you take GW off the $1 bill? Defense rests! (Offense takes the field.)

    But if Greedell & his barely-men have the final say (talk about "temperamental Third-World dictators"!) it'll be gone. Bastards. (FTR even if they leave it on they're still bastards.)




  6. #36
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Formerly Carpetbaggerville (IND) --now back in MD
    Posts
    974
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    I don't know..... I mean I could make a case for keeping it. Haven't the Browns had an Al Lerner patch for like a decade? But I agree with what some have already said --they didn't do it for Johnny U or any other local legends and to do one for Art (much as he might deserve it) could potentially open the flood gates as well as create bitterness from the families of the legends -- "if (x legend) has a permanent patch why can't my relative have it?"

    Besides I look at it another way. Imagine if we had to be subjected looking at a permanent "Bob" tribute on Indy's uniforms all these years. It would seem like a big In Your Face to Cleveland and I wouldn't want to do their fans dirty like that. (even if all the national sympathy after all these years and their general sense of entitlement is irritating)




  7. #37
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Severna Park
    Posts
    3,451
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Just putting in my 2 cents, I lost my older brother when I was 10, and though I love him and miss him even 30 years later, I don't have a marker on my life of him. He wouldn't want it, he'd want me to go on with my life and remember him fondly.

    That being said, my younger brother who knew him far less being only 4 at the time has his name tattooed on his body.

    Point is, everyone is different in how they deal with death and memorializing someone.

    As for an NFL team, I think it is important to do a 1 year patch, after that, it should become something else at the stadium. A statue, a sign, but if permanent patches become the norm, then eventually the team becomes more about the past then what it is, a football team in Baltimore.

    Steve Bisciotti once said, he doesn't own the team, it belongs to Baltimore, he is merely the current steward. As much as Art did for Baltimore, let us not forget there were business considerations that brought him here. He was a great man for us, not so much in the eyes of Cleveland. I say let the memorial rest in Baltimore and not be a permanent part of the Raven's legacy where we take it on the road with us.




  8. #38
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    over by the dental floss bush
    Posts
    17,949
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    They dedicated the 2011 season to Art, now it's time to move on. He won't be forgotten but the patch goes
    World Domination 3 Points at a Time!




  9. #39
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Where Ravens Fans Roam Free
    Posts
    1,989

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    They dedicated the 2011 season to Art, now it's time to move on. He won't be forgotten but the patch goes
    I agree. I will always be grateful to Art for bringing the Ravens to Baltimore, but the vast majority of his career was in Cleveland (similar to Byner). The Ravens have done a good job of honoring Art, but it now time to move on.




  10. #40
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Deep in the bowels of Maryland suburbia
    Posts
    1,981

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    They dedicated the 2011 season to Art, now it's time to move on. He won't be forgotten but the patch goes
    Yeah, I'd always assumed the patch would be a one-year thing, which I think is appropriate. Losing the patch won't lessen the memory of Art in Baltimore.




  11. #41

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    This isn't a decision the Ravens will make, the NFL makes the decision. The Ravens could ask to keep it but my guess is it would be denied as a 1 year thing.
    Rule 5, Section 4, Article 7 (Personal Messages) covers this:

    "any such approved items ... must not be worn for more than one football season"




  12. #42

    Re: Should the "Art" patch stay on the Ravens uniform?

    Quote Originally Posted by SNAFU View Post
    The patch should stay.........until Art has his day!
    Great idea!




Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Russell Street Report Website Design by D3Corp Ocean City Maryland