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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England



    Arm length?




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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    Quote Originally Posted by Filmstudy View Post
    Arm length?
    34.08"

    Not too bad.
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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    34.08"

    Not too bad.
    I was going to say "Not too good."

    I'm sure you can find 15 examples of good LTs going back a decade or 2 who had as short arms or shorter, but 34.5" is the starting point as far as I am concerned.

    The Ravens don't need another RT that they hope will become a LT.
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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    Quote Originally Posted by Filmstudy View Post
    That's a pass at LT.

    I'm sure you can find 15 examples of good LTs going back a decade or 2 who had as short arms or shorter, but 34.5" is the starting point as far as I am concerned.

    The Ravens don't need another RT that they hope will become a LT.



    There aren't too many guys in this draft that meet that profile...(at least that we have a shot at...so no Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher, or Luke Joeckel)

    Alvin Bailey, Arkansas, 6'3" 312lbs, 34.68"
    Nick Becton, Virginia Tech, 6'6" 323lbs, 35.48"
    Travis Bond, UNC, 6'6" 320lbs, 35.48"
    Chris Faulk, LSU, 6'5" 331lbs, 34.3"
    Roger Gaines, Tennessee State, 6'6" 334lbs, 36.28"
    Luke Marquardt, Azusa Pacific, 6'8" 315lbs, 34.5"
    David Quessenbary, San Jose St, 6'5" 304lbs, 34.4"


    I like Quessenbary a lot. I think he has nice footwork, but he is pretty raw.

    Marquardt and Nick Becton are kind of dark horse prospects.
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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post



    There aren't too many guys in this draft that meet that profile...(at least that we have a shot at...so no Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher, or Luke Joeckel)

    Alvin Bailey, Arkansas, 6'3" 312lbs, 34.68"
    Nick Becton, Virginia Tech, 6'6" 323lbs, 35.48"
    Travis Bond, UNC, 6'6" 320lbs, 35.48"
    Chris Faulk, LSU, 6'5" 331lbs, 34.3"
    Roger Gaines, Tennessee State, 6'6" 334lbs, 36.28"
    Luke Marquardt, Azusa Pacific, 6'8" 315lbs, 34.5"
    David Quessenbary, San Jose St, 6'5" 304lbs, 34.4"


    I like Quessenbary a lot. I think he has nice footwork, but he is pretty raw.

    Marquardt and Nick Becton are kind of dark horse prospects.
    I would personally add Terron Armstead and David Bakhtiari to that list even if both have only 34" flat arms. The longer the arm length the better, but IMO it's more of a "necessary but not sufficient" quality. You're going to have real trouble if you've got 32" T-Rex arms, but 34" and change is average in the NFL and adequate when combined with good hands. Armstead and Bakhtiari both have good hands with room to improve in that respect as well.

    Joe Thomas has 33 3/4" arms, but his hand speed, placement, and technique are textbook and that's why he's the best pass protector in the NFL. Joe Staley and Duane Brown are also right around 34" IIRC and those are 2 other guys with phenomenal use of hands. The ideal is still both 36" arms AND great hands but you can't have the ideal all the time.




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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    What about Ricky Wagner from Wisconsin? I've seen such varying opinions on him. Some of the draft sights I saw have him as a mid-to-late 2nd rounder and think he can play an adequate/above average LT in the NFL. Others have him as a 3rd-4th rounder and as a RT only.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    What about Ricky Wagner from Wisconsin? I've seen such varying opinions on him. Some of the draft sights I saw have him as a mid-to-late 2nd rounder and think he can play an adequate/above average LT in the NFL. Others have him as a 3rd-4th rounder and as a RT only.
    I don't think his college tape is very impressive and he had a very bad Senior Bowl week. That led me to believe he was a RT prospect only and unworthy of higher than a 3rd or 4th. His measurables don't wow you but they're acceptable apart from the bench press, 6'6 308 34" arms, 5.17 40 w/1.77 split, 20 BP reps. He looked okay in the field work. He's just "meh" to me.

    He's one of those guys IMO that has solid technique and major athletic limitations. If I were an NFL talent evaluator and could get a feel for his work ethic and intelligence those would be the characteristics that would really sway me to be interested or to pass. There are plenty of guys like him that got passed over for better athletes, yet proved to be better pro's, so I'm always wary to write a guy off. At this point I have him pegged basically as a swing tackle who's better at RT but could play LT in a pinch. Lean more toward 3rd-4th.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    What about Ricky Wagner from Wisconsin? I've seen such varying opinions on him. Some of the draft sights I saw have him as a mid-to-late 2nd rounder and think he can play an adequate/above average LT in the NFL. Others have him as a 3rd-4th rounder and as a RT only.
    Yeah, I don't think he is a LT at all.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    DJ Fluker has like 37 inch arms, the guy is a monster. I have him now going to the bears though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    DJ Fluker has like 37 inch arms, the guy is a monster. I have him now going to the bears though.
    He looked terrible in the drills. He's got plenty of strength and toughness but his foot speed and overall quickness is extremely bad. He's more of a throwback type of mauling RT, if you plug him in as the day 1 starter your QB had better get good protection everywhere else. Until he drops some weight and gets coached up to be quicker rushers are going to be coming past Fluker all day and all night.

    I personally would never spend a 1st round pick on a RT only who can't handle speed on the edge. Wait, that sounds vaguely familiar...




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    Re: Ravens met with Florida State OT - Menelik Watson from England

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    He looked terrible in the drills. He's got plenty of strength and toughness but his foot speed and overall quickness is extremely bad. He's more of a throwback type of mauling RT, if you plug him in as the day 1 starter your QB had better get good protection everywhere else. Until he drops some weight and gets coached up to be quicker rushers are going to be coming past Fluker all day and all night.

    I personally would never spend a 1st round pick on a RT only who can't handle speed on the edge. Wait, that sounds vaguely familiar...
    Didn't watch the drills personally. Doesn't really surprise me, but DJ Fluker is a guard at the next level, he can become an all pro there IMO. And you should take a guard or a RT in the first round if you know he's going to improve your Oline. Not everyone can be superstars at LT.




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