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  1. #25

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.



    I want nothing to do with Teo. He is another typically overhyped Notre Dame prospect coming into the NFL. As for our strategy, I really hope we are able to stay at 32 and get an immediate impact player, i.e. Tavon, Minter, Corradelle Patterson, etc. If not, trade back and stay true to the board. We should go into the draft with approximately 11 selections, which is enough to move around with.




  2. #26

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I hate to rub it in, but it's true. Here are the golden domers in the NFL , most recent first...


    Who jumps off this list as great NFL players?
    Tuck, Rudolph, Harrison Smith.




  3. #27

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I hate to rub it in, but it's true. Here are the golden domers in the NFL , most recent first...

    Who jumps off this list as great NFL players?
    Justin Tuck, maybe. I was going to do a comparision with Alabama, but that really wouldn't be fair, because Alabama basically runs a professional program. So I went with a middling SEC school: Ole Miss.

    Charlie Anderson, LB, Miami Dolphins
    Stacy Andrews, OL, Seattle Seahawks
    Taye Biddle, WR, Sacramento Mountain Lions (UFL)
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, Cincinnati Bengals
    Bruce Hall, RB, Denver Broncos
    Greg Hardy, DE, Carolina Panthers
    John Jerry, OL, Miami Dolphins
    Peria Jerry, DL, Atlanta Falcons
    Kendrick Lewis, S, Kansas City Chiefs
    Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants
    Bobby Massie, OL, Arizona Cardinals
    Dexter McCluster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
    Jayme Mitchell, DL, Minnesota Vikings
    Michael Oher, OL, Baltimore Ravens
    Jerrell Powe, DL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Tutan Reyes, OL, Jacksonville Jaguars
    Jamarca Sanford, DB, Minnesota Vikings
    Chris Spencer, C, Chicago Bears
    Micheal Spurlock, WR, San Diego Chargers
    Tre' Stallings, OL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Keydrick Vincent, OL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
    Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers
    Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots

    Quite of few of them jump off that list at me....




  4. #28

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    I doubt they select 11 players this year. I think they have so many options to do either trade up or back depending on thier targets. I would even suggest they trade a few of thier picks this year for a few picks next season. (you get more value this way). Plus if they do trade this years picks for next years pick they can trade those picks for actual players before the later trade deadline in areas of need=teams always looking to dump players for picks once thier season is going south.) So many options.
    I'm guessing they won't pick 11 players; you rarely see draft classes that big for a reason. There just aren't enough roster spots to fit in 11 new rookies. Many would end up getting cut just due to numbers and it's not like our roster is so poor that we have lots of holes to fill.

    I'm guessing Ozzie will parlay picks for next year or use them as ammunition to target their guys.




  5. #29

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Justin Tuck, maybe. I was going to do a comparision with Alabama, but that really wouldn't be fair, because Alabama basically runs a professional program. So I went with a middling SEC school: Ole Miss.

    Charlie Anderson, LB, Miami Dolphins
    Stacy Andrews, OL, Seattle Seahawks
    Taye Biddle, WR, Sacramento Mountain Lions (UFL)
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, Cincinnati Bengals
    Bruce Hall, RB, Denver Broncos
    Greg Hardy, DE, Carolina Panthers
    John Jerry, OL, Miami Dolphins
    Peria Jerry, DL, Atlanta Falcons
    Kendrick Lewis, S, Kansas City Chiefs
    Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants
    Bobby Massie, OL, Arizona Cardinals
    Dexter McCluster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
    Jayme Mitchell, DL, Minnesota Vikings
    Michael Oher, OL, Baltimore Ravens
    Jerrell Powe, DL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Tutan Reyes, OL, Jacksonville Jaguars
    Jamarca Sanford, DB, Minnesota Vikings
    Chris Spencer, C, Chicago Bears
    Micheal Spurlock, WR, San Diego Chargers
    Tre' Stallings, OL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Keydrick Vincent, OL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
    Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers
    Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots

    Quite of few of them jump off that list at me....
    Hell Maryland has put better pros into the NFL than Notre Dame lately.




  6. #30

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Tuck, Rudolph, Harrison Smith.
    2 rookies? "Great NFL players"? Little bit of a leap there, imo...




  7. #31

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    2 rookies? "Great NFL players"? Little bit of a leap there, imo...
    its slim pickings, i did what i could...




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    ...Harrison Smith.
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    2 rookies? ...
    Are we counting him as two people to help their case?




  9. #33

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Preface any thoughts on this topic by understanding the FO's approach to the draft in years past and how it differs from this year.

    Ozzie has very, very rarely gone into the draft with gaping holes on the roster. Although we've been tight up against the cap for many years, he's found veteran "glue guys" and emerging draft picks from prior years to round out the roster everywhere. Very rarely did we have major flux at multiple positions; the closest I can remember us coming is 2011 when the CB depth chart was very concerning and we took Jimmy Smith.

    But even then, even if CB was a huge need Ozzie was able to employ his preferred draft strategy: snag a highly talented prospect who falls way below where his talent level should place him. Often that prospect has not been at a position of need, but in 2011 it just so happened to be.

    This year is very different. The team has massive, gaping holes at no less than 4 positions (LT, FS, ILB, and DT). If Flacco isn't signed to a long-term deal by March 4th and the tag must be used, the team WILL NOT be able to get the glue guys in free agency to fill in some of those gaps, and in fact they may need to cut players at certain positions and create or deepen more holes in the roster, like at WR.

    So, taking into consideration how different this year is from prior years, what does that mean for the draft strategy? To me, it suggests that they won't be able to sit around and wait for a prospect to fall to them. They NEED to add highly talented players that present the possibility of starting in year 1. If they can't sign anybody in free agency, they will have no choice but to go out looking for starters.

    To me that means trading up. If a guy you feel is a day-1 starter at a position of need is around in the 20's, there may be no choice but to trade up, because you don't have a starting FS, LT, or ILB on the roster. You just have to fill those needs and you may need to trade up more than once. That's not Ozzie's style but this isn't Ozzie's year either. We'll be able to have a better conversation on this topic once we know whether or not Flacco will be tagged, but at this point that's where I'm leaning.




  10. #34

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Just to clarify something from the tone of my post above... I'm not suggesting Ozzie is going to panic and give up his whole draft or high future picks to gamble on a couple of players. He's not going to trade way up in the 1st for Eric Fisher and then trade a future 1st to get into the high 2nd for Matt Elam. As neat as it would be to have those 2 guys, you just threw away the chance at adding a ton of talent just to gamble on 2 guys who might not pan out at all.

    Ozzie's not going to do that, he's going to stay true to his strategy and take the best available players, but there may be an adjustment of sorts to that where he'll be more willing to walk out of this draft with 8 instead of 11 players, as a result of trading up a few spots in a few rounds. We KNOW Ozzie won't panic, he never does, but this year may just be slightly different from others in intent if not in fact.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    This sounds dangerously close to a "drafting for need" strategy, and it's hard for me to imagine Ozzie going this route. Where I think I differ from you is the premise the suggestion there are gaping needs this year that didn't exist in past years. I think you may be under stating the holes in past year.

    Last year they lost two key free agents in Ben Grubbs and Jarrett Johnson. The hole at LG last year I would argue was more glaring than ILB or DT this year. Yet Ozzie didn't trade up, he traded down in the first round and still found Upshaw to replace JJ and Osemele to replace Grubbs. He then traded up to get Pierce to replace Ricky Williams. Ozzie was patient and position himself in need positions to fill holes.

    I could point out past drafts where they had significant holes they would have to fill, and did so without trading up. Two years ago it was wide receiver (Torrey Smith for Derrick Mason). And other recent examples include tight end (Dickson and Pitta for Todd Heap), running back (Ray Rice for Willis McGahee) or corner (Lardarius Webb for Chris McAlister). I can't see why this year needs to be different in being patient and finding quality players in the second and third rounds.




  12. #36

    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Preface any thoughts on this topic by understanding the FO's approach to the draft in years past and how it differs from this year.

    Ozzie has very, very rarely gone into the draft with gaping holes on the roster. Although we've been tight up against the cap for many years, he's found veteran "glue guys" and emerging draft picks from prior years to round out the roster everywhere. Very rarely did we have major flux at multiple positions; the closest I can remember us coming is 2011 when the CB depth chart was very concerning and we took Jimmy Smith.

    But even then, even if CB was a huge need Ozzie was able to employ his preferred draft strategy: snag a highly talented prospect who falls way below where his talent level should place him. Often that prospect has not been at a position of need, but in 2011 it just so happened to be.

    This year is very different. The team has massive, gaping holes at no less than 4 positions (LT, FS, ILB, and DT). If Flacco isn't signed to a long-term deal by March 4th and the tag must be used, the team WILL NOT be able to get the glue guys in free agency to fill in some of those gaps, and in fact they may need to cut players at certain positions and create or deepen more holes in the roster, like at WR.

    So, taking into consideration how different this year is from prior years, what does that mean for the draft strategy? To me, it suggests that they won't be able to sit around and wait for a prospect to fall to them. They NEED to add highly talented players that present the possibility of starting in year 1. If they can't sign anybody in free agency, they will have no choice but to go out looking for starters.

    To me that means trading up. If a guy you feel is a day-1 starter at a position of need is around in the 20's, there may be no choice but to trade up, because you don't have a starting FS, LT, or ILB on the roster. You just have to fill those needs and you may need to trade up more than once. That's not Ozzie's style but this isn't Ozzie's year either. We'll be able to have a better conversation on this topic once we know whether or not Flacco will be tagged, but at this point that's where I'm leaning.
    I think these factors might push the needle a little further in that direction but the fact that they just won the super bowl with so many positions on defense needing to be upgraded i think they still wont operate too much differently in the draft. I also dont see too much difference in a defensive player that will go at 20 compared to say 35. I feel like Oz and co gets it, they know we desperately need an infusion of talent on the defensive side but i dont feel like it will alter strategy. I think, and hope, the urgency and aggressiveness will go towards the Flacco negotiations more so then draft strategy.




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