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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.



    If they're not in love with a player that's there at 32, or that they think will be there, I can see them trading back. As you stated, it's become common. They obviously don't need more picks this year but getting picks for future years is always a good thing.
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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark&Stormy View Post
    BTW- concerning Te'o- do you really think Ozzie will be that interested in him- early on, anyway- given how poorly he played against his alma mater?
    I don't know what to make of Te'o. He clearly stunk in the championship game, so I am not enthusiastic about him. I didn't see enough of him to know if he was overhyped as a Notre Dame guy or if he was thrown off his game one time because of the scandal. If I am guessing I will say someone else take him earlier but Ozzie passes if he's still there. Look at the success they've had with undrafted inside linebackers -- McCain, Ellerbe, Bynes, Scott, McClellan. I think they have needs that could use a first rounder more than ILB. Of course, to contradict my earlier statement, if they can't sign Ellerbe then it might change things.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    There has also been times when Ozzie traded picks for a current existing player on another team, so that is another alternative as well.

    I don't see Ozzie moving beyond 20s, but if he does not trade up, I have a feeling he stays at 32. I also could see him trading back to 33-40, but significant beyond that.
    So he could trade up. Or he could stay put. Or he could trade down...




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    ...don't need more picks this year but getting picks for future years is always a good thing.
    That's intriguing. They've certainly done well in the past with that strategy, getting Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis when they pocketed a future first round pick.

    And when they did the opposite, trading a future first rounder, it killed them (Acquired Kyle Boller and New England used their pick the next draft to take Vince Wilfork, leaving the Ravens to take Dwan Edwards with their top pick that year).

    Belichick loves that strategy. Two years ago he gave New Orleans his 28th overall pick (so New Orleans could draft Mark Ingram) and in exchange got a late second rounder in 2011 and a first rounder in 2012, which Belichick then parlayed into the Chandler Jones pick).

    So the precedent is there for the Ravens to swing the same sort of deal and end up with two picks in the second round and a spare first rounder next year.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    You win the prize. But you have to come to the server room to pick it up.

    The other knock on Brees was that he ran a gimmick offense at Purdue. Joe Tiller was one of the first college coaches to run an exclusive shot-gun spread attack, which was thought at the time to be a poor proving ground for the NFL when QBs stayed under center. Funny to think how the NFL game came around to run the shotgun so much more prevalently

    The NFL goes through these phases of thinking only one type of NFL QB can flourish until guys come around and prove them wrong.

    Flacco ran the same type of spread system Delaware but the knock on him wasn't the system or his height, it was his small-school pedigree. But I think guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco and Romo have put that idea to rest.

    And now we've seen it again with the read option now being accepted in the NFL thanks to Kaepernick, RGIII and Wilson.
    There was so much talk that year about not resigning Dilfer and getting Grbac. I don't remember anyone looking to draft a QB. Chis Redman was the developmental QB. The thought was so focused on getting a player that could help the offense enough to repeat If they had picked Brees the fans would have thought that Ozzie had lost it. There was a lot of excitement for Heap plus Jamal plus a healthy Travis Taylor. Funny how things worked out.
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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    If they had picked Brees the fans would have thought that Ozzie had lost it. There was a lot of excitement for Heap plus Jamal plus a healthy Travis Taylor. Funny how things worked out.
    Clearly it was Billick's fault.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I didn't see enough of him to know if he was overhyped as a Notre Dame guy or if he was thrown off his game one time because of the scandal.
    Is there any other kind?




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Is there any other kind?
    I hate to rub it in, but it's true. Here are the golden domers in the NFL , most recent first...

    Ethan Johnson
    Darius Fleming
    Brian Smith
    Trevor Robinson
    Jonas Gray
    Robert Blanton
    Harrison Smith
    Michael Floyd
    Darrin Walls
    Terrail Lambert
    Ian Williams
    Chris Stewart
    Armando Allen
    Robert Hughes
    Kyle Rudolph
    Eric Olsen
    Sam Young
    Jimmy Clausen
    Sergio Brown
    Kyle McCarthy
    Golden Tate
    David Bruton
    John Sullivan
    Trevor Laws
    J. J. Jansen
    Tom Zbikowski
    John Carlson
    Victor Abiamiri
    Derek Landri
    Ryan Harris
    Brady Quinn
    Chinedum Ndukwe
    Mark LeVoir
    Anthony Fasano
    Maurice Stovall
    Justin Tuck
    Ryan Grant
    Jeff Faine
    Jordan Black
    Arnaz Battle

    Who jumps off this list as great NFL players?




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    I doubt they select 11 players this year. I think they have so many options to do either trade up or back depending on thier targets. I would even suggest they trade a few of thier picks this year for a few picks next season. (you get more value this way). Plus if they do trade this years picks for next years pick they can trade those picks for actual players before the later trade deadline in areas of need=teams always looking to dump players for picks once thier season is going south.) So many options.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    I want nothing to do with Teo. He is another typically overhyped Notre Dame prospect coming into the NFL. As for our strategy, I really hope we are able to stay at 32 and get an immediate impact player, i.e. Tavon, Minter, Corradelle Patterson, etc. If not, trade back and stay true to the board. We should go into the draft with approximately 11 selections, which is enough to move around with.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I hate to rub it in, but it's true. Here are the golden domers in the NFL , most recent first...


    Who jumps off this list as great NFL players?
    Tuck, Rudolph, Harrison Smith.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I hate to rub it in, but it's true. Here are the golden domers in the NFL , most recent first...

    Who jumps off this list as great NFL players?
    Justin Tuck, maybe. I was going to do a comparision with Alabama, but that really wouldn't be fair, because Alabama basically runs a professional program. So I went with a middling SEC school: Ole Miss.

    Charlie Anderson, LB, Miami Dolphins
    Stacy Andrews, OL, Seattle Seahawks
    Taye Biddle, WR, Sacramento Mountain Lions (UFL)
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, Cincinnati Bengals
    Bruce Hall, RB, Denver Broncos
    Greg Hardy, DE, Carolina Panthers
    John Jerry, OL, Miami Dolphins
    Peria Jerry, DL, Atlanta Falcons
    Kendrick Lewis, S, Kansas City Chiefs
    Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants
    Bobby Massie, OL, Arizona Cardinals
    Dexter McCluster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
    Jayme Mitchell, DL, Minnesota Vikings
    Michael Oher, OL, Baltimore Ravens
    Jerrell Powe, DL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Tutan Reyes, OL, Jacksonville Jaguars
    Jamarca Sanford, DB, Minnesota Vikings
    Chris Spencer, C, Chicago Bears
    Micheal Spurlock, WR, San Diego Chargers
    Tre' Stallings, OL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Keydrick Vincent, OL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
    Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers
    Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots

    Quite of few of them jump off that list at me....




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    I doubt they select 11 players this year. I think they have so many options to do either trade up or back depending on thier targets. I would even suggest they trade a few of thier picks this year for a few picks next season. (you get more value this way). Plus if they do trade this years picks for next years pick they can trade those picks for actual players before the later trade deadline in areas of need=teams always looking to dump players for picks once thier season is going south.) So many options.
    I'm guessing they won't pick 11 players; you rarely see draft classes that big for a reason. There just aren't enough roster spots to fit in 11 new rookies. Many would end up getting cut just due to numbers and it's not like our roster is so poor that we have lots of holes to fill.

    I'm guessing Ozzie will parlay picks for next year or use them as ammunition to target their guys.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Justin Tuck, maybe. I was going to do a comparision with Alabama, but that really wouldn't be fair, because Alabama basically runs a professional program. So I went with a middling SEC school: Ole Miss.

    Charlie Anderson, LB, Miami Dolphins
    Stacy Andrews, OL, Seattle Seahawks
    Taye Biddle, WR, Sacramento Mountain Lions (UFL)
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, Cincinnati Bengals
    Bruce Hall, RB, Denver Broncos
    Greg Hardy, DE, Carolina Panthers
    John Jerry, OL, Miami Dolphins
    Peria Jerry, DL, Atlanta Falcons
    Kendrick Lewis, S, Kansas City Chiefs
    Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants
    Bobby Massie, OL, Arizona Cardinals
    Dexter McCluster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
    Jayme Mitchell, DL, Minnesota Vikings
    Michael Oher, OL, Baltimore Ravens
    Jerrell Powe, DL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Tutan Reyes, OL, Jacksonville Jaguars
    Jamarca Sanford, DB, Minnesota Vikings
    Chris Spencer, C, Chicago Bears
    Micheal Spurlock, WR, San Diego Chargers
    Tre' Stallings, OL, Kansas City Chiefs
    Keydrick Vincent, OL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
    Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers
    Brandon Bolden, RB, New England Patriots

    Quite of few of them jump off that list at me....
    Hell Maryland has put better pros into the NFL than Notre Dame lately.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Tuck, Rudolph, Harrison Smith.
    2 rookies? "Great NFL players"? Little bit of a leap there, imo...




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