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  1. #76
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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.



    KC makes alot of sense. That will give the 49ers almost back to back picks with the Ravens in the middle. Man, the 49ers the rich get richer. Only other team other than the Jets would be Cleveland. My money is on KC. KC with decent Qb play might be pretty decent next year. I wonder if Matt Flynn is next on the move?




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Sounds like we can put Smith to KC talk on the back burner for now.....

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...or-alex-smith/




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Not to continue the baseless speculation but it's being reported they are trying to restructure Cromartie. If they trade Revis, he had signed a four-year $32 mil guaranteed deal in 2010 -- so there is cap savings if that happened. And there was the rumor they were shopping him. Just saying.
    They want to restructure Holmes too. But still they would still be paying a lot of money to both Sanchez and Alex Smith. I think they just have to ride out Sanchez this year.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    I'm just waiting for the thread entitled "Joe signs 6 year deal".




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'm just waiting for the thread entitled "Joe signs 6 year deal".
    My prediction is Wednesday.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Smith is over-rated. He is the very definition of game manager. Any team that needs their QB to put up a lot of points is not a good fit for Smith and he will be exposed. He has only thrown 3000 yards once in his career. He has never thrown 20 touchdowns. He hasn't thrown 40 passes in a game in over 2 years. He has never been a good quarterback, he has merely been put in a position under Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh to not fail. The right plays are called at the right time for him, with easy completions that are open for lots of yards after the catch. You could install just about anybody into the 49ers system and get the same kind of performance as you did out of Alex Smith. The coaches saw that, they knew Smith wasn't a spectacular QB, despite having one of the highest QB ratings. His rating was a symptom of the system and play calling, not a showing of his superior talents and decision making. That's why it was an easy decision to bench him. You put him somewhere where the completions don't come as easy (as they don't for Joe Flacco, for instance), and where he has to do more to get the win because he doesn't have one of the NFL's best defenses, and he will fall hard.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by callahan09 View Post
    Smith is over-rated. He is the very definition of game manager. Any team that needs their QB to put up a lot of points is not a good fit for Smith and he will be exposed. He has only thrown 3000 yards once in his career. He has never thrown 20 touchdowns. He hasn't thrown 40 passes in a game in over 2 years. He has never been a good quarterback, he has merely been put in a position under Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh to not fail. The right plays are called at the right time for him, with easy completions that are open for lots of yards after the catch. You could install just about anybody into the 49ers system and get the same kind of performance as you did out of Alex Smith. The coaches saw that, they knew Smith wasn't a spectacular QB, despite having one of the highest QB ratings. His rating was a symptom of the system and play calling, not a showing of his superior talents and decision making. That's why it was an easy decision to bench him. You put him somewhere where the completions don't come as easy (as they don't for Joe Flacco, for instance), and where he has to do more to get the win because he doesn't have one of the NFL's best defenses, and he will fall hard.
    You can rack this post. Alex Smith is the definition of a game manager. I laughed when people tried to call Flacco a game manager. Put Alex Smith in the exact same offense Flacco runs, and Smith would probably be at the top of the league in INT's. Alex Smith has a noodle arm, and he's rode an all-world running game and defense at San Fran.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    You can rack this post. Alex Smith is the definition of a game manager. I laughed when people tried to call Flacco a game manager. Put Alex Smith in the exact same offense Flacco runs, and Smith would probably be at the top of the league in INT's. Alex Smith has a noodle arm, and he's rode an all-world running game and defense at San Fran.
    I think KC would be a good fit. As pointed out above, Smith isn't going to throw your team to victory so he needs a good running back. Last year Jamaal Charles set the record for career YPC at 5.82 (breaking Jim Brown's 5.22 mark). They also sent six pro bowlers, which is kind of a joke but there's talent on that team. Combine those pieces with a successful coach in Andy Reid and "on paper" they could be a 10 win team.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    King Dunlap would be nice in the event that McKinnie isn't re-signed.
    Ummm, no.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shambla View Post
    I think KC would be a good fit. As pointed out above, Smith isn't going to throw your team to victory so he needs a good running back. Last year Jamaal Charles set the record for career YPC at 5.82 (breaking Jim Brown's 5.22 mark). They also sent six pro bowlers, which is kind of a joke but there's talent on that team. Combine those pieces with a successful coach in Andy Reid and "on paper" they could be a 10 win team.
    I definitely think Alex Smith is a good fit in KC running Reid's WC offense. It would give them some additional time to draft and groom a young QB.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    I don't see Alex Smith as that big a step up from Matt Cassell. If I were KC, I wouldn't give up more than a 4th for him.




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Preface any thoughts on this topic by understanding the FO's approach to the draft in years past and how it differs from this year.

    Ozzie has very, very rarely gone into the draft with gaping holes on the roster. Although we've been tight up against the cap for many years, he's found veteran "glue guys" and emerging draft picks from prior years to round out the roster everywhere. Very rarely did we have major flux at multiple positions; the closest I can remember us coming is 2011 when the CB depth chart was very concerning and we took Jimmy Smith.

    But even then, even if CB was a huge need Ozzie was able to employ his preferred draft strategy: snag a highly talented prospect who falls way below where his talent level should place him. Often that prospect has not been at a position of need, but in 2011 it just so happened to be.

    This year is very different. The team has massive, gaping holes at no less than 4 positions (LT, FS, ILB, and DT). If Flacco isn't signed to a long-term deal by March 4th and the tag must be used, the team WILL NOT be able to get the glue guys in free agency to fill in some of those gaps, and in fact they may need to cut players at certain positions and create or deepen more holes in the roster, like at WR.

    So, taking into consideration how different this year is from prior years, what does that mean for the draft strategy? To me, it suggests that they won't be able to sit around and wait for a prospect to fall to them. They NEED to add highly talented players that present the possibility of starting in year 1. If they can't sign anybody in free agency, they will have no choice but to go out looking for starters.

    To me that means trading up. If a guy you feel is a day-1 starter at a position of need is around in the 20's, there may be no choice but to trade up, because you don't have a starting FS, LT, or ILB on the roster. You just have to fill those needs and you may need to trade up more than once. That's not Ozzie's style but this isn't Ozzie's year either. We'll be able to have a better conversation on this topic once we know whether or not Flacco will be tagged, but at this point that's where I'm leaning.
    A+ post. We could go into this draft short at least 5 key D players and 3-5 from the O. I'm worried (OK, I'm always worried).




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    We've done very good getting value with more picks, but its time we moved up and get a sho nuff World Beater.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Oh, my.

    I had to look it up, but things certainly would have been different.
    Really, and you're going to make everyone look it up? Come on man.
    "Sorry officer, nothing wrong here. I'm just watching the Ravens game!"




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    Re: Strategy for first round pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Thunder View Post
    Really, and you're going to make everyone look it up? Come on man.
    Or you could just read 4 or 5 posts down from that.




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