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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool5 View Post
    He played everywhere along the o-line at the preeminent program in college. Put him anywhere as far as I am concerned. With a versatile guy like that, you can let training camp and the preseason games sort out his week one position.
    There is no way that I draft Barret Jones in the first round. The only way and I still would not do it is if the Ravens knew with certainty Gino could not handle center. You can't take a guy in round 1 because he is versatile. Not when you have a hole at LT, DT, LB and FS. His best positions would be guard or center and that is not a need. I might take him him with the 2nd round pick. He also plays on a great line and with a guard some regard as best to come out in years.




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    Re: 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    All the better for us I guess
    Yep makes more guys fall to us.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think Nassib, Glennon, Smith, and Manuel may all go in round 1, we shall see...
    Not sure about Manuel, but the others I agree with for sure. I think Nassib is a total darkhorse. No one is really talking about him.

    Big guy, good arm, mobile...

    I think Buffalo drafts him.

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    Mike Glennon measured in at 6'7", the guy looks like a twig




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    Re: 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    There is no way that I draft Barret Jones in the first round. The only way and I still would not do it is if the Ravens knew with certainty Gino could not handle center. You can't take a guy in round 1 because he is versatile. Not when you have a hole at LT, DT, LB and FS. His best positions would be guard or center and that is not a need. I might take him him with the 2nd round pick. He also plays on a great line and with a guard some regard as best to come out in years.
    I agree with the premise of your post but people need to stop thinking so much about needs when it comes to the draft. Ozzie will take the best player on his board regardless of needs unless its a QB or a RB, and in this case probably a guard or a center. FA is where you fill your holes with veterans, the rookies are the long term players, and may challenge the signed veterans to that starting position, but normally, rookies just aren't seen as starters on good teams like the Ravens, even first round picks have a 50/50 shot at starting depending on how NFL ready they are.

    There are holes on every NFL team, we will fill them accordingly. Joe Flacco will be signed, and will have a lower cap hit for 2013, which will enable us to make some moves. Ellerbe will likely be re-signed while Reed is 50/50 right now IMO. If Reed isn't re-signed, there will be a vet to replace him. The Ravens will not go into the draft relying on a top flight prospect to be there at 32 who is NFL ready (Matt Elam, and Kenny Vaccorro).




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    Re: 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I agree with the premise of your post but people need to stop thinking so much about needs when it comes to the draft. Ozzie will take the best player on his board regardless of needs unless its a QB or a RB, and in this case probably a guard or a center. FA is where you fill your holes with veterans, the rookies are the long term players, and may challenge the signed veterans to that starting position, but normally, rookies just aren't seen as starters on good teams like the Ravens, even first round picks have a 50/50 shot at starting depending on how NFL ready they are.

    There are holes on every NFL team, we will fill them accordingly. Joe Flacco will be signed, and will have a lower cap hit for 2013, which will enable us to make some moves. Ellerbe will likely be re-signed while Reed is 50/50 right now IMO. If Reed isn't re-signed, there will be a vet to replace him. The Ravens will not go into the draft relying on a top flight prospect to be there at 32 who is NFL ready (Matt Elam, and Kenny Vaccorro).
    Just look at how we got Pierce last year. Ozzie stays true to his board and picks the best player there.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Just look at how we got Pierce last year. Ozzie stays true to his board and picks the best player there.
    Exactly.

    Needs are actually considered in Ozzies "BPA" philosophy I guess. Its not strictly whoever the best player is, but it is pretty close to it. Bernard Pierce could be considered a moderate need last year, as Ricky Williams had retired, and our only back up RB was a 7th round pick from 2011. However, I seem to recall everyone screaming for a WR to be drafted around the 2nd-3rd round range, some even wanted one in the 1st round. We filled the number 3 spot in FA with Jacoby Jones who did way more than everyone expected him to. While, we took the BPA on the Ravens board and landed us another stud RB.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool5 View Post
    I want Barrett Jones in the first.
    He will be there in the second round.

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think Nassib, Glennon, Smith, and Manuel may all go in round 1, we shall see...
    Yeah, I don't know about Manuel, but the others sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Mike Glennon measured in at 6'7", the guy looks like a twig
    Joe Flacco is making Glennon a lot of money...just the pre draft comparisons...everybody compares him to Joe. Somebody is going to absolutely fall in love with his arm...he has a terrific arm and has practically the same frame Joe had coming out.

    Bray too...don't be shocked if Bray rockets up into the early second.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Could Chris Johnson's 40 yard dash record go down?: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ons-40-record/
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    There is NO WAY Barrett Jones lasts until our pick at the bottom of the second round. As for need...any team needs a versatile guy like this. Take him and move on, I say!




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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool5 View Post
    There is NO WAY Barrett Jones lasts until our pick at the bottom of the second round. As for need...any team needs a versatile guy like this. Take him and move on, I say!
    Considering a guy who was a good NFL scout just last year gives him a mid 3rd round grade, saying there is no way he lasts is way overboard.

    Could he be picked before...sure, it's the NFL draft. But Jones is not grading out as a first round or even early second round pick from everything I've read. There is a strong chance he is still there at 62.

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    RT @RDSCT: thoughts on Barrett Jones? 1st or 2nd round talent?> No and no…I thought he was a mid-round guy on tape. 3rd at earliest for me.
    All it takes is one team of course and Jones definitely can be a good player in this league, but I highly doubt he is looked at as a first or early second round guy as a whole around the league.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post

    Considering a guy who was a good NFL scout just last year gives him a mid 3rd round grade, saying there is no way he lasts is way overboard.

    Could he be picked before...sure, it's the NFL draft. But Jones is not grading out as a first round or even early second round pick from everything I've read. There is a strong chance he is still there at 62.
    How many saw KO dropping last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    How many saw KO dropping last year?

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    I remember Ko before the draft and hoped the Ravens were considering him to replace Ben Grubbs, but then totally forgot about him after Cordy Glenns combine performance. So when the Ravens drafted him, I was pretty chuffed after forgetting about him. I had him in one of my mock drafts, if only I kept him on there with Pierce and Gino as 3rd and 4th round picks that I got right, I would have been 100 % if belicheat didn't steal Hightower away from us. Tbf, i thought Upshaw was going to go way higher than he did, I had him going to the Jets actually.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Joe Flacco is making Glennon a lot of money...just the pre draft comparisons...everybody compares him to Joe. Somebody is going to absolutely fall in love with his arm...he has a terrific arm and has practically the same frame Joe had coming out.
    The similarities are definitely there, they also share the "When they're on they're ON and when they're not they're NOT" quality. I think Glennon is also slightly less athletic than Joe is.




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    Re: 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I remember Ko before the draft and hoped the Ravens were considering him to replace Ben Grubbs, but then totally forgot about him after Cordy Glenns combine performance. So when the Ravens drafted him, I was pretty chuffed after forgetting about him. I had him in one of my mock drafts, if only I kept him on there with Pierce and Gino as 3rd and 4th round picks that I got right, I would have been 100 % if belicheat didn't steal Hightower away from us. Tbf, i thought Upshaw was going to go way higher than he did, I had him going to the Jets actually.
    I had Upshaw falling the entire time.
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