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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?



    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    The Browns with Joe Flacco win 14 games next year





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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Maybe a BIT of an exaggeration, but have you looked at how stacked the Browns roster is with youth and talent AND with 50 million worth of cap space??

    They have an ELITE OL... one of the best in the NFL. Joe Thomas is the best LT in the NFL, Mack is a top 5 center, and the RT they just drafted Mitchell Schwartz looks like a future Pro Bowler. They're not slouches at guard either.

    Josh Gordon was very quietly the best rookie WR in the league last year. Greg Little drops a lot of passes but he's a pretty solid #2, Jordan Cameron is a very talented TE, and Trent Richardson is an absolute beast. They are VERY talented on offense and that's with a scrub like Weeden at QB, think how much better they would be with Flacco. The defense is also extremely solid already especially if they stay healthy and Ray Horton has a big impact.

    The Browns are a QB away from being contenders and Flacco would solve that problem and more. The Steelers are in disarray next year, the Bengals are still the Bengals, and the Ravens with Tyrod Taylor/Geno Smith/Alex Smith etc. are the worst team in the division. That gives the Browns 5 or 6 easy wins right there PLUS they have a VERY easy schedule next year. Definitely sounds like double-digit wins to me.

    The whole point is that to a team without a QB, Flacco is worth 6 or 7 wins, PLUS robbing the same number from the Ravens.




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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Bmorecareful hit on the key here. Too much focus is being put on Flacco wanting to stay with a quality organization and not enough focus is being put on how much Flacco has meant to their success that they are heralded for.

    The Ravens didn't exactly jump of the gate trying to make Flacco the QB he has become. They held on to Cam Cameron two years too long and stuck with their old 'run the ball, rely on the defense' approach two years too long. Meanwhile, Flacco caught a lot of unnecessary heat for that.

    How many games does this team win without Joe Flacco?

    If he goes to Cleveland, he's got an offensive line waiting for him. I would look to replace Greg Little, personally, but Josh Gordon is definitely a starting WR. He's got a starting RB and FB. That defense is a solid defense. I mean, Bmorecareful really hit on a lot of it.

    I think the vibe is that Flacco should be honored to play for the Ravens, as if the success will continue even if he leaves and as if the organization has backed his individual development and the idea of building the team around him, all along. Neither is true.
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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    I think the deal will be done by Tuesday. Rack it




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    I think La Canfora's take on this is probably in the ballpark...

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...-a-big-mistake




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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Yeah, that article sums it up good.

    They will get a deal done, but if not before the deadline, I guarantee there is no chance they use the non-exclusive tag. There is no way they will risk losing Flacco. Like somebody else mentioned, it would be such a major PR blunder that would infuriate the fan base. Do you think Biscotti, Ozzie, or Flacco wants to be the guy who does that to these fans?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Maybe a BIT of an exaggeration, but have you looked at how stacked the Browns roster is with youth and talent AND with 50 million worth of cap space??

    They have an ELITE OL... one of the best in the NFL. Joe Thomas is the best LT in the NFL, Mack is a top 5 center, and the RT they just drafted Mitchell Schwartz looks like a future Pro Bowler. They're not slouches at guard either.

    Josh Gordon was very quietly the best rookie WR in the league last year. Greg Little drops a lot of passes but he's a pretty solid #2, Jordan Cameron is a very talented TE, and Trent Richardson is an absolute beast. They are VERY talented on offense and that's with a scrub like Weeden at QB, think how much better they would be with Flacco. The defense is also extremely solid already especially if they stay healthy and Ray Horton has a big impact.

    The Browns are a QB away from being contenders and Flacco would solve that problem and more. The Steelers are in disarray next year, the Bengals are still the Bengals, and the Ravens with Tyrod Taylor/Geno Smith/Alex Smith etc. are the worst team in the division. That gives the Browns 5 or 6 easy wins right there PLUS they have a VERY easy schedule next year. Definitely sounds like double-digit wins to me.

    The whole point is that to a team without a QB, Flacco is worth 6 or 7 wins, PLUS robbing the same number from the Ravens.
    I have a big problem with your implication that the Browns are better than the Ravens when you take away the QB.

    For all of the talent they supposedly have on defense, they weren't exactly good on that side of the ball last year. The only player on D who appears to be a true star any time soon is Haden. And their offense has a lot of question marks, especially with your spinnalicious remarks. Gordon/Little is definitely not better than the Ravens' receivers, their "beast" of a running back (Mr. 3.6 yards per carry himself) doesn't hold a candle to Ray Rice, and I'm pretty sure Jordan Cameron's 226 yards and 1 touchdown win the award for the emptiest "very talented" compliment in the history of mankind.

    Compare the talent the two teams have on defense. Compare the talent the two teams have on offense. It does not add up for the Browns on either side of the ball.




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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    If Joe Flacco was willing to take less to keep the team together the deal would have been done a year ago.
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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    If Joe Flacco was willing to take less to keep the team together the deal would have been done a year ago.
    I don't think it's as simple as that.
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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    I'm thinking non-exclusive too, if it has to come down to it (which I don't).

    To give up two firsts AND have to BLOW the Ravens offer out of the water, I don't think it's very possible. Joe isn't going to play for the Browns, get real.




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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronusthebonus View Post
    I'm thinking non-exclusive too, if it has to come down to it (which I don't).

    To give up two firsts AND have to BLOW the Ravens offer out of the water, I don't think it's very possible. Joe isn't going to play for the Browns, get real.
    The Redskins gave up 3 1st's for RG3. Why wouldn't a team give up 2 1st's for Flacco?




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    Because they'd also have to give him 120 million ontop of the 2 draft picks. RGIII isn't making a third of that.




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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronusthebonus View Post
    I'm thinking non-exclusive too, if it has to come down to it (which I don't).

    To give up two firsts AND have to BLOW the Ravens offer out of the water, I don't think it's very possible. Joe isn't going to play for the Browns, get real.
    Drew Brees went to a Saints team with just 1 playoff win in the history of the franchise. I absolutely think that Joe wants to stay here but with a new owner, GM, and coaching staff and a boatload of money the Browns can absolutely make the case that they aren't the same team as in years past. They are going to sign some big name free agents that wouldn't have been interested in the past.
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    Re: Exclusive or Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag for Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronusthebonus View Post
    I'm thinking non-exclusive too, if it has to come down to it (which I don't).

    To give up two firsts AND have to BLOW the Ravens offer out of the water, I don't think it's very possible. Joe isn't going to play for the Browns, get real.
    I think some teams would be a lot more hesitant than we think.

    Just look at Mike Wallace last year. Are you telling me that the Niners spent their 1st rounder better on AJ Jenkins rather than sending it to the Steelers for Wallace? AJ Jenkins didn't even play.

    My point is that [most] teams are a lot more reluctant to give up a ton of draft picks.
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