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  1. #16

    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back



    How about Omar Brown? Ed can't seem to praise the kid enough. And it does seem that Brown has a nose for the ball. They also have similar small build.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I lean this way, but I can see the other side as well.

    The replacement answer of "just draft Matt Elam" is risky business, too. One, Elam might be not so great in the NFL - a lot of guys are, so I'm not busting on him; it's just that the draft is kind of a crap shoot. Two, why spend a high pick on a safety if there is a HOF-caliber one who would play for a reasonable cap hit? (Yes, that's an assumption, I know) That high draft pick can be use to draft another piece of the puzzle (and hope he doesn't end up a bust, either).

    I was in Christian Thompson's corner when they drafted him, and I think he was a good pick. But let's be realistic - he is a 4th round pick from a small school and hasn't seen the field. He might be the answer, but I wouldn't be anointing him a starter yet, especially if there are potentially superior options available (aka: ed Reed).
    My sentiments exactly. Ed doesn't have to be the best player on the defense. We need to put better players around him so he can be in a supporting role, not the star.
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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    This post is amazingly wordy. I can't believe it took so long to say so little. I felt like I just sat through the State of the Union.

    I think the key thing is to remember that we have a philosophy that's gotten us here - "Right player, right price." At some point, you're right, the economic cost of keeping Reed will outweigh the benefits, but I think you're being too abstract in accusing a relatively moderate salary of $3M causing us to lose "a younger piece of the puzzle."

    Let's look at the last few years, especially this year. How many defensive backs have we seen come and go? Josh Wilson, Lardarius Webb, Cary Williams, Jimmy Smith, Laron Landry, Zibi, Pollard, Naka, to name a few. All of them, when in our secondary, have played above expectations (see Jimmy's performance, finally healthy, in the SB). Landry, Zibi, Pollard, and Wilson are not anything special on other teams. Lardarius Webb was unheard of. Cary Williams came from the practice squad.

    Do you see a trend? Reed is a rock that coaches and manages the secondary to play at a completely different level. It's just the same way we are able to plug-in damn near every linebacker next to Ray Lewis and have them play above their expectations. There's a reason why the current reigning "Smartest Guy in the Room" Bill Belichick loves Reed. He's no fool. You see this in our rival, the Steelers. How much worse is their defense without 43? Likewise I wouldn't be surprised to see Green Bay's secondary defense take a step back with Woodson out.

    I agree that you can't overpay Reed and sacrifice the young talent. But you make it sound like ALL our young players are worth more than Reed, and you can't say that.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    First, I really want Ed back.

    Having said that, the OP raises many good points, most of which most of us have agreed with to some degree in the past. Even with legends, it's still always got to be "right player, right price." Always.

    Who knows, maybe we can get Ed at the "right price"? I'd love that to happen.

    But nobody would I support signing at the expense of destroying the roster. Hell, even Flacco while we're at it. I don't want a 1-man team that goes 7-9 every year. Screw that.

    At the moment, even with declining skills, I still don't know who is a better option. Elam and Reid (LSU) are the only ones out there I like, but no guarantee to start, and may have flaws we don't know about. Ihedigbo is a UFA, Brown is unproven, Christian Thompson doesn't have the ball skills to play FS.

    Reed still alters opponents' game plans. They don't target him. Any player who reduces the field in which opposing offenses work (think JJ for a minute) is still extremely valuable on this team. Taking parts of the field away, squeezing opponents into tight areas is what modern defense is all about. Reducing coverage/responsibility areas for teammates makes each teammate, in turn, more valuable.
    Reed gives us that, even though his speed, tackling and ball skills have diminished. No replacement will give us that, though a replacement may make 10 more tackles that Reed might miss, and might defend a few more passes. That player will also get targeted more, and probably open up the field for opponents in ways having Reed there prevents. So unless somebody blows my mind with a great, cheap replacement option, just letting Reed go does not make sense UNLESS he just wants more money than we can pay him while remaining competitive, and keeping a deep roster.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    I hope we can keep him one, maybe two more year(s) as long as the price is cap reasonable.
    And draft a FS either this or next year to learn from him, if Omar Brown isn't already being considered his heir apparent.
    Reed did remark earlier this season that Brown reminded him of himself:
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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    I am coming from a physical standpoint. If we bring Reed back, we cannot expect him to make a tackle anymore. Balls that land in his arms are not guaranteed interceptions anymore.

    Now, if the front seven can improve its run defense and we can get better play from the CBs, I think that Reed can be protected, much like Lewis was. If you can find a NT, or if Terrance Cody improves, look at all of the run stuffers you would have in the front seven: NT, Ngata, Jones, Suggs, Ellerbe, Upshaw. Teams would, once again, become one dimensional.

    His leadership is definitely a plus, and it's true that many players play better here than elsewhere in their careers.

    I'm still torn on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I am coming from a physical standpoint. If we bring Reed back, we cannot expect him to make a tackle anymore. Balls that land in his arms are not guaranteed interceptions anymore.

    Now, if the front seven can improve its run defense and we can get better play from the CBs, I think that Reed can be protected, much like Lewis was. If you can find a NT, or if Terrance Cody improves, look at all of the run stuffers you would have in the front seven: NT, Ngata, Jones, Suggs, Ellerbe, Upshaw. Teams would, once again, become one dimensional.

    His leadership is definitely a plus, and it's true that many players play better here than elsewhere in their careers.

    I'm still torn on this one.
    Not just his leadership, but his knowledge. He doesnt just work with the safeties. He gives pointers to almost everyone. Chykie Brown credits his improvement to Ed Reed. Chykie Brown was really solid this year and he went head to head with some very good receivers.

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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

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    So who plays FS next year?
    Convert Jimmy Smith to FS. Pollard is the other safety. Webb and Williams the CB's.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    I want him back but only if his contract doesn't hamstring us.

    The test will be if Harbs and Ozzie wants him back. If they do, that's good enough for me.


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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    Williams will be more over paid by someone than Reed will, imo this doesn't help.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Not just his leadership, but his knowledge. He doesnt just work with the safeties. He gives pointers to almost everyone. Chykie Brown credits his improvement to Ed Reed. Chykie Brown was really solid this year and he went head to head with some very good receivers.

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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I am coming from a physical standpoint. If we bring Reed back, we cannot expect him to make a tackle anymore. Balls that land in his arms are not guaranteed interceptions anymore.

    Now, if the front seven can improve its run defense and we can get better play from the CBs, I think that Reed can be protected, much like Lewis was. If you can find a NT, or if Terrance Cody improves, look at all of the run stuffers you would have in the front seven: NT, Ngata, Jones, Suggs, Ellerbe, Upshaw. Teams would, once again, become one dimensional.

    His leadership is definitely a plus, and it's true that many players play better here than elsewhere in their careers.

    I'm still torn on this one.
    I'm with you on this one. I'm probably leaning towards wanting to keep Reed, as long as his demands aren't ridiculous. I think if we can add some speed and youth to the front 7, and get Suggs/Ngata healthy again, they will take the pressure off Reed, and will allow Reed to remain purely as a cover 1 guy who will pretty much stay in coverage, and occasionally come up on edge blitzes. Let Bernard Pollard come up into the box and do his job in run defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SNAFU View Post

    Convert Jimmy Smith to FS. Pollard is the other safety. Webb and Williams the CB's.
    Williams is as good as gone.

    Plus we still have Graham, Brown, and Asa Jackson.

    Jimmy to FS is interesting. However, I still think he could be a lock down corner. Guess we will see how the draft shakes out.

    Glover Quinn was a pretty good corner too and the Texans slid him back to FS. He has been very good there.

    It would be nice to see Jimmy, Webb, Graham, and Chykie all out on the field at the same time. A lot of speed.

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  14. #29

    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    i tend to agree with poster but i hate to see our home grown stars in another uniform but that is the nature of the business. we are very lucky with ogden and ray.

    i am in the redskin market and have to listen to redskins coverage. an interviewer asked josh wilson what it was like to play with ed reed. wilson said "the first thing reed told him is you do not have to play anything outside the hash marks on your side of the field. i will have it covered". wilson said he never had a ball completed outside the hash marks on his side of the ball all year.

    the moral of the story is that as a fan we really don't understand how football works and reed has an acumen and closing speed that allows him to be effective. this despite the fact he really can't tackle any more.




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    Re: I'll come right out and say it: I don't want Ed Reed back

    They'll make a Reed an offer that they can afford but it won't be enough. Other teams will pay a lot more. I've been saying this day was coming for over a year now. What I didn't think though is that Reed and Ray would go out on top. That's the best anyone could have hoped for.
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