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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!



    We just didn't have this problem in the old days and we could talk about our team w/o fighting with Colts fans. We saved that for the opposing fans on Sundays. Yea, the town got upset when we lost and the entire town even ran Shula out but we didn't fight amongst ourselves. Not like this and not especially when we were undefeated like in the 60s and 70s.
    Thats what makes the invention of the internet so special, You can anonymously say whatever you want.

    Its funny because just about all of the Ravens fans I have come across face to face have pretty much agreed that they are happy with McNair and are estatic that we are 4-0. The ones that want to bash McNair are the ones who do it behind a computer screen.

    Go Figure

    As I said previously it is impossible to engage in a reasonable discussion of quarterbacks on any Ravens forum and it's really not worth the bother arguing.
    The problem is that not everyone sees it your way, so expect people to disagree, so if you feel this way, maybe you should'nt bother arguing.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Now you want to be undefeated? I would say most fans would have been estatic if they knew before this season began the Ravens would reverse their 6-10 record from last year's horrid season and be 10-6. I would say now with McNair we have a darn good chance of at least doing that wouldn't you? I fail to see how anyone can not be delighted with the upgrade to McNair so far unless you have him on your Fantasy Team, and I would have to question anybody being that much of a doofus to do that.
    You are fighting a losing battle Tex,

    Alot of these posters are avenging the criticism of Kyle Boller, by saying that we are still having the same Offensive problems with a better and more experianced QB, so it must not have been Kyle's fault that our Offense was so bad in the last few years. These are the same people who constantly took up for Kyle for years on the YBR board. With thier tinted glasses, they cannot see the difference between Boller and McNair.

    They seem to think that none of the Offensive problems were Boller's fault at all, and if we had a great O-line and coach, Boller would have been a Superstar QB. Those posters refuse to give McNair any type of free pass from criticism even though he has only been a Raven for 4 months because he is an 11 year vet, and according to them, an 11 year veteran should be able to come to a new team(even though he has only played for one other team his entire career) and have no reason not to light up opposing teams Defenses immediatly.
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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    I agree and this is again, why message boards are bad.
    Huh?

    If this board is so bad, I have a suggestion ......


    We actually have Ravens fans hoping the Ravens lose so they can give McNair the bullet and this will turn into the opposition's board instead of a Ravens board.


    That's pure bullshit, Trap. Let's see the specifics..... That's right: there are none!


    Those posters refuse to give McNair any type of free pass from criticism even though he has only been a Raven for 4 months
    I will agree with that. After 4 months, a $33 million star shouldn't have to get free passes from anyone. Even the local media seems to be catching on.


    The ones that want to bash McNair are the ones who do it behind a computer screen.
    There are many Ravens fans outside of bulletin boards who have taken note as to what happens the first 57 minutes of games. Check out tailgate parties, call-in shows etc. I just caught it today from an NFL junkie out in Montana, asking me why we have no offense until the final drive.

    :nm:





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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    I will agree with that. After 4 months, a $33 million star shouldn't have to get free passes from anyone. Even the local media seems to be catching on.


    Name one Quarterback who has played in one place for over 10 years that has ever made an immediate transition to another team. It takes time to adjust to new surroundings!!! This isn't baseball people!!

    You guys for some reason keep skipping over that fact every time I point it out, why is that? Maybe its because you know I am right.

    McNair came to this team later than any other Free Agent QB this year besides Kerry Collins, who I may add, has looked completely clueless on the field.

    Alot of people who know this sport have pointed this out, commentators, analysts, columnists, etc.

    But when I point it out, I am labeled as being wrong.

    I GIVE UP




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    My god these QB threads suck.

    It's like both sides are talking to a brick wall.

    What is funny is the 'Huggers' and 'Haters' have switched sides.

    But overall...these threads blow.

    It's by far the worst thing on these message boards...nobody gets anywhere and it gets personal way too often...to each it's own though because some actually seem to enjoy it.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    My god these QB threads suck..
    Check.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    It's like both sides are talking to a brick wall.
    Check.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    What is funny is the 'Huggers' and 'Haters' have switched sides.
    I'm not sure I agree with that, but it is an interesting point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    But overall...these threads blow.
    Check. Really, what are we doing here? I am amazed that certain posters (not to mention any names) continue to rant and rave about Boller, when the guy is a second stringer who has not thrown a single pass all season. And yet he still seems to attract criticism -- for what? For how he sits on the bench? Get over the obsession.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    Check. Really, what are we doing here? I am amazed that certain posters (not to mention any names) continue to rant and rave about Boller, when the guy is a second stringer who has not thrown a single pass all season. And yet he still seems to attract criticism -- for what? For how he sits on the bench? Get over the obsession.
    Sorry, but Boller's name would've stayed out of most conversations this season but he has been brought up by those who feel he's gotten a raw deal.

    My feelings on Boller are well documented and I've not once brought his name up this season except when a thread has been started with him as the topic.

    And yes, these threads do lead to nowhere.

    PP




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Quote Originally Posted by 52RAYVENS View Post
    For all of you that are not happy no matter what the Ravens do, WE ARE 4 & 0!
    Stop your bitchen and enjoy it. No it wasn't pretty, but we won! End of story.

    When I posted this thread, I was stating my opinion on the many negative members on this site. Everybody knows there is still problems with the team, but for now just enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last.

    But how the hell did it turned into a QB debate? I'll never know!
    I BLEED RAVEN PURPLE!!!




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Part of the problem IMO is that any remotely critical comment about McNair's performance so far is automatically construed as that poster being a Boller "hugger" or "apologist". In my mind, the two are unrelated. Boller sucked, that's an established fact and frankly I doubt it will ever change no matter where he ends up. McNair is an upgrade, that's indisputable, however that doesn't mean just because we're 4-0 he's perfect. That does not mean I'm pineing for Boller's reimergence from the bench, I simply don't feel that so far McNair has been that great outside of two minute drill heroics. I would simply like to see him show a more consistant or steady performance throughout the game because I think it gives us the best chance to win.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    Quote Originally Posted by AZRAVEN View Post
    Part of the problem IMO is that any remotely critical comment about McNair's performance so far is automatically construed as that poster being a Boller "hugger" or "apologist". In my mind, the two are unrelated. Boller sucked, that's an established fact and frankly I doubt it will ever change no matter where he ends up. McNair is an upgrade, that's indisputable, however that doesn't mean just because we're 4-0 he's perfect. That does not mean I'm pineing for Boller's reimergence from the bench, I simply don't feel that so far McNair has been that great outside of two minute drill heroics. I would simply like to see him show a more consistant or steady performance throughout the game because I think it gives us the best chance to win.
    Uh-oh, AZRAVEN. You're now labelled an idiot who wants Boller to start because you made a valid critism of McNair. That is simply not allowed.

    FHRaven




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    I know, it's kinda sad really..




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    It's okay to criticize McNair as long as you acknowledge the fact McNair is a far superior player to Boller.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    It's okay to criticize McNair as long as you acknowledge the fact McNair is a far superior player to Boller.
    Thanks for the permission! LOL.

    I have said this endlessly. But if I make the mistake, that I apparently don't have permission to make, of stating we can see that McNair's issues behind this OL mean that Boller can't be written off because behind a good OL we would see his numbers improve just like we would McNair's.

    Yes, McNair is better, but his problems thus far show that our passing problems with Boller were certainly not all of his. He had piss-poor targets for a while, and never had an OL.

    Boller, 69.2 rating, 71.8 last year with Mason, Clayton and Heap
    McNair, 75.4 rating here

    Yes, McNair is an upgrade, but Boller isn't as bad as many think, he has not had great talent around him, particularly the OL.




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    Re: Bitch & Moan All You Want!

    I have said this endlessly. But if I make the mistake, that I apparently don't have permission to make, of stating we can see that McNair's issues behind this OL mean that Boller can't be written off because behind a good OL we would see his numbers improve just like we would McNair's.
    I'll challenge that notion right now. McNair's issues have very little to do with the OL and very much to do with not knowing the offense.

    If my theory is correct, McNair will eventually destroy Boller's production, not to mention show twice the guts of Boller in clutch situations, once McNair finally gets in his comfort zone.




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    I'll challenge that notion right now. McNair's issues have very little to do with the OL and very much to do with not knowing the offense.
    No need to challenge. We will know shortly. If McNair had more time to throw the ball he would be operating at a much higher efficiency.

    I am guessing you aren't claim we have a decent pass protecting OL, are you? McNair is much calmer behind this OL, and that certainly helps.

    ... show twice the guts of Boller in clutch situations ...
    What exactly does this mean? Are you saying Boller doesn't have guts? Or that he can't win at the end of games. The guy has a few comeback wins in his pocket, one with his primary receiver being Kevin Johnson. Another with Clarence Moore.

    I don't get the bashing of Boller beyond critiquing his play. Does this guy sneak out at night and beat puppies and I don't know about it? The criticism seems to go beyond his play, like in this case questioning his guts.

    Most of us "huggers" will admit Boller's play was bad, with a few bright moments. I think the guy has gotten the shitty end of a few sticks here and would like to see him get a chance with good weapons and a little bit better OL.

    If we are going to talk about comfort, Boller had 7-8 games with Mason and Clayton last year. His play obviously improved as his comfort level went up with them. I'll grant you McNair's play, despite the OL, will improve while his comfort with Heap and Clayton grows and he leans less on Mason. But I
    challenge the notion that Boller wouldn't also benefit from this.




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