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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?



    Unless we meet in SB in the next two years, we won't be seeing them until 2015 season.

    Who knows what the teams will be like by then
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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?

    If you want to argue about the significance of momentum in football games, and how the blackout impacted the game, that's a different argument.

    I responded to this thread because I thought the premise of it that:

    A) The 49ers are screwed because Jim H. is too excitable.

    and B) The pistol is unsustainable as evidenced by our run defense in the super bowl, was absurd.




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    Got to succeed in the whole game, the pistol accomplished nothing score wise in the first half and did not come thru on the last possesion. Ravens have given up a lot of yardage and still won. Fieldgoals aren't better then touchdowns in the first half. Seen that too many times playing the steelers. A fieldgoal will win it in the end if you are down by 2 points, 9ers needed a touch down and choked with their play calling. Jim inherited a team already put together and added a few players. His love affair with college Qbs who can run and pass is interesting, but will it allow him to win the big game? He shook up the NFL by going with CK and had some success. His team being the better team , no I don't think so. Packers were tired and beatable. Atlanta had that game until ryan made his mistakes. 9er division this year will be more competitive and will hurt the 9ers win column. Good chance they don't make postseason unless Jim Harbaugh gets his team together(who has it better then us, isn't getting them there). His team has to make sacifices by playing like their skills will win it for them, not Jim whining and abusing refereees. That's going to get old with the refs and it will hurt him more then help him. It's the NFL, not the NCAA. Big difference there, NFL refs aren't intimidated by his screaming and acrobatic drama. Had he been composed and rational, he would have called at least one more running play on their final possession. Jim has a lot to learn if he is willing to.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlestonraven View Post
    I know, I watched the damn game. You said we shut down the pistol, I called bullshit and said we got run on. You said it was because of the blackout, I say that has nothing to do with our strategy to shut down the pistol, so that's where we're at.
    So you just signed up on here, to act like you know what you're talking about when you really don't? Is that where we are at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlestonraven View Post
    A "great" strategy for the pistol? They had 180 yds on 6+ ypc. The 49ers came within a air of winning, I'm sure they'll be fine.
    Is that language necessary?
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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlestonraven View Post
    A) The 49ers are screwed because Jim H. is too excitable.
    They are. He is. The Ravens clearly had the mental edge, as reflected in the fact they won on most of the key plays in the game (see Filmstudy's analysis for more on that). Jim is wound up way too tight. When it was most needed, I think he failed his team. He was not thinking clearly and his team reflected that. Maybe as he and the 49ers mature, this won't be an issue, but a better coach would have won them that game. That said, he's done a great job there so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by Charlestonraven View Post
    and B) The pistol is unsustainable as evidenced by our run defense in the super bowl, was absurd.
    Not the Pistol, so much, since that's just a function of where the QB stands taking the snap. Though it does present trouble in blitz pickup, with the RB set up behind the QB at the outset, and that hurt them on the 4th down play where Gore was adrift at sea as Ellerbe forced Kap to throw it away.

    But the Read-Option is unsustainable, except as an occasional gimmick like any other kind of option play, or Wildcat, etc. Mainly because QBs have to be able to throw, and the more they are hit, the less they excel at their main job.

    A year ago Cam Newton was all anybody could talk about. This year, 90% of NFL fans couldn't tell you what team he's on. RG3 is one more hit away from his 3rd major knee injury (he missed a season in college). He also took a nasty concussion and had to sit out earlier in the season, an injury pattern we've seen before -- with Michael Vick.

    He can definitely have a fine career since he can play from the pocket, but his days of running out of the read-option will not be many. If he takes many more risks in that offense, he won't last long enough to become the great pocket passer he could become. Kaepernick is probably in the same boat as RG3. 10 games, so far so good. But if we learned anything from Cam Newton falling to earth and RG3 getting his ass handed to him, it's that the odds don't favor Kaepernick any more than those other two.

    I expect the Skins to modify the read-option, as I 've said on here before, to become a "look" rather than a true option. Much like Oregon has done -- they give the look, the QB is a running threat so he can freeze the DE and LBs to an extent, but invariably he hands off, virtually every single time. As long as the threat of RG3 keeps defenses honest, the read-option "look" will remain viable, but if the offense gets to where it actually requires the QB to "keep and run" more than twice a game, it is doomed as an NFL offense. Keep it at 2 QB keeps a game or less, and it remains relevant as a different type of look.




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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?

    Jim continues to cheer lead, throw things, have breakdowns and get way too emotional on the sidelines. It does make me wonder if his lack of situational coaching hurts the team
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    The pistol formation was very effective throughout the game. Any suggestion otherwise is silly.

    Pat Kirwin and others on Sirius NFL Radio pointed out this very fact when analyzing the game this week. The Niners were averaging 8 yards per play out of the pistol formation and then mysteriously, they didn't run one play out pistol during that final goal line stand.

    It doesn't diminish what we accomplished. More so, it shows that superior coaching and experience will give you the advantage in clutch situations.
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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?

    Judging by Jim's public reaction(s) to John, typically silent and aloof, John has always gotten the better of Jim.




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    Jim H. took a losing team and went to the NFCCG in his rookie year as HC. He then had the guts to change QBs in 2012, and his team made the Super Bowl. IMO he's one of the top young HCs in the NFL. I don't know why some of you guys are beating up on him... Bc




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    I don't understand where this better team bullshit is coming from, if they were the better team, they would have beaten us.
    Exactly. Such a week argument. We were by far the better team, because TEAM is the key word. Since when does experience not count for anything. When Ray Rice fumbled, I kept thinking back to the game in Pittsburgh two years ago, and how we had BEEN HERE BEFORE. The fact that they had experienced these same situations, and become harder, tougher, and better prepared to deal with them, is what made us the better team. The Niners were full of a bunch of young guys who got caught up in their own hype. Were it not for the blackout, they'd probably have been much more humbled today. Being big, strong, and athletic doesn't make you a better player- and having a collection of said athletes doesn't make you a better team. Period. TEAMS now how to overcome and persevere. A road the Niners are now beginning to travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Jim H. took a losing team and went to the NFCCG in his rookie year as HC. He then had the guts to change QBs in 2012, and his team made the Super Bowl. IMO he's one of the top young HCs in the NFL. I don't know why some of you guys are beating up on him... Bc
    He's very similar to Rex Ryan, who had very similar results early. ONly instead of the brashness and bold talk up front, it's whining and bitching AFTER the fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Thunder View Post
    He's very similar to Rex Ryan, who had very similar results early. ONly instead of the brashness and bold talk up front, it's whining and bitching AFTER the fact.
    That's a very good point (about Rex), but let's give Jim 2 or 3 more years to see if he changes his style. Jim does have something that Rex doesn't...a QB ... Bc




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    Re: Will John always get the better of Jim?

    No clue how it would play out if it happened again, but the odds are really good that we'll get a rematch someday soon. (next 5 years is my guess).




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Jim H. took a losing team and went to the NFCCG in his rookie year as HC. He then had the guts to change QBs in 2012, and his team made the Super Bowl. IMO he's one of the top young HCs in the NFL. I don't know why some of you guys are beating up on him... Bc
    Good point, he had a team already put together by Singletary. Tweaked it and won because of the division he was in. Teams have improved and he will have to do something different this year. As far as CK goes, his decision payed off, but not in the SB. CK was having problems in the first half and got some breaks to get back into a grove. Unfortunately, his inability to look at all the reads cost him the game on the last drive. He had receivers open but didn't see them.
    This year Jim will have it harder, other teams now have an inside look to what his team has done and unless he makes up his mind to coach and not whine during the games, he'll make more mistakes. Referees will also have a better understanding and act accordingly. These are NFL refs, not NCAA refs.




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