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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider Webb View Post
    I agree 100%. However, I don't see anybody giving him 9 million realistically. We know the teams that make stupid moves like that so its always a possibility. Kruger got kind of unlucky with this years free agents. Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Clady...those are all top tier players. I think Kruger might be one of those overlooked guys in this years free agency and that will benefit the Ravens.
    It's not those guys so much as it is Spencer, Barwin, and Avril. If I was a team with money to spend on an OLB Kruger would be third on my list. You could make an argument for fourth.
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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    It's not those guys so much as it is Spencer, Barwin, and Avril. If I was a team with money to spend on an OLB Kruger would be third on my list. You could make an argument for fourth.
    Yeah, I think the idea that specialists are at a premium is probably not as true as we might think -- it just seems that way because we had a dry spell with pass rushers. What's at a premium are pass rushers who can play three downs (ie, Suggs) If I'm scouting Kruger I see a guy who is more versatile than most give him credit for. He played well against the run and in coverage too. Pees had him playing middle linebacker in red zone. If they can, I won't be surprised if they throw money at him and Ellerbe and call it a day.




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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    My take on Paul Kruger is that he's going to be the hot name from the Ravens in FA (except potentially Ed Reed). First of all, pass rushers are premium guys in free agency. In a passing league, you need good guys in the secondary and someone to get to the QB. Run stuffers, like Ellerbe, are a bit cheaper, because they post less stats.

    Cary Williams has outplayed the offer we made him, but I see him getting a Gary Baxter deal. Now, technically, Baxter got 5 mil per year when he left, but I'd imagine Cary will get a bit more guaranteed money and years on the deal. Is he going to be a top CB on anyone's team? Probably not. But I can see a team needing CB help to make a run trying to get him in.

    Ellerbe has been great this year, and to me, he was priority #1 before Ray retired. But the buzz on him won't be as high because 1) he was injured for a few weeks, putting him out of the eye of most of the NFL, 2) he's only had 1 year of high play, and 3) he's at a position that is generally cheaper

    Kruger stands to have a big payday. This is two years in a row he's been top form. He played all year. And, he showed up pretty big in the postseason. Shoot, on the SB broadcast, I heard Nantz or Simms say "The guy SF needs to key on for the Baltimore pass rush is Paul Kruger." That name drop probably bought him some extra attention from owners and GMs. I'd keep him if we could get a fair deal on him, but that won't happen, someone will overpay. Not to mention, we've got a number of good OLBs to fill in.
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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Of course if Kruger signs, there's always the option of going to a 4-3 to solve our Dline issues.

    Suggs-Ngata-Art Jones-Upshaw

    Then Kruger at SAM (strong side), for arguments sake lets say Kevin Minter is drafted and plays mike, then have Ellerbe play weakside.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    You really don't know though. Pass rushers are at such a premium. A team with a lot of cap space might just pay him a ton.
    Yea agreed especially with the league moving towards a pass happy league you need solid rushers. But two things that are more valuable in a pass happy league are WRs and CBs. There are a lot of those in this years FA. Kruger is far from an established player and I just think that some teams will be reluctant to give him the type of money he's looking for. 10 years ago when defenders, specifically LBs left Baltimore, they didn't produce in their new town and most just chalked it up to coincidence. Its a trend now, defenders that leave Baltimore just aren't that good in other places. On NFL Live today Trey Wingo said something to the effect of "Adalius Thomas left they plugged in JJ, JJ left they plugged in you..."

    Kruger's production without Suggs is abysmal, he had only 1.5 sacks without him. If I were a GM, at this point in his career I would only bring Kruger in as the second pass rusher not a a number one like Suggs.




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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Nice fantasy thread, Btw NO WAY TATE lasts til the 7th round. He is the perfect coverage ILB and S combo and a great athelete. His position is where the NFL is headed. The new NFL is headed to the hybrid S/LB and the cover Safety instead of the hard hitting 220LB (lower the boom Safety) You will see many quality CB's that come in a notch slower than the ideal CB moved to S. That's the trend upcoming. Ray Lewis and many other have commented on this change in defensive philosophy. Defenses are headed to girth up the middle on the line, always quick twitch edge rushers and SPEED at LB and S and Speed and Length at CB.
    Two years ago toy would have been right about Tate. But as a guy who's followed him from high school to college, his knee injuries have been devastating. It was clear this year his athleticism has been sapped from his injuries last year and this year. He just couldn't play in space anymore he was disappointing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Two years ago toy would have been right about Tate. But as a guy who's followed him from high school to college, his knee injuries have been devastating. It was clear this year his athleticism has been sapped from his injuries last year and this year. He just couldn't play in space anymore he was disappointing.
    Yes, I am big fan, booster as well. Terrapin Club member. It is a shame what happened to Tate with his knee injuries. I still think with even his knees, now being a a year removed will still project out at as a midround pick 4-6th rounder because of his versatility S/LB combo and Special team player. All 4th rounders and beyond are major risks for whatever reason, but his upside if he can remain healthy makes him really attractive bargain. His proday and combine will be important as anybody's. Two years ago he was a 2nd round talent, now I bet he is a 4th or 5th rounder, and could go higher with his showings in the combine and proday.




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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Yes, I am big fan, booster as well. Terrapin Club member. It is a shame what happened to Tate with his knee injuries. I still think with even his knees, now being a a year removed will still project out at as a midround pick 4-6th rounder because of his versatility S/LB combo and Special team player. All 4th rounders and beyond are major risks for whatever reason, but his upside if he can remain healthy makes him really attractive bargain. His proday and combine will be important as anybody's. Two years ago he was a 2nd round talent, now I bet he is a 4th or 5th rounder, and could go higher with his showings in the combine and proday.
    Yeah you might be right if he can still run a 4.4 like he could in HS he'll be ok draft wise. Hopefully some NFL team can figure out how to use him situationally.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Yeah you might be right if he can still run a 4.4 like he could in HS he'll be ok draft wise. Hopefully some NFL team can figure out how to use him situationally.
    At his weight and speed, if he can run in the 4.5's with a good(cone drill) actually the cone drill IMO, is more important he will shoot up the boards.




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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Wasnt Tate left off the combine invite list, didnt see his name on it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HHIRaven View Post
    Wasnt Tate left off the combine invite list, didnt see his name on it.
    I hope not for his sake. Then his pro day will be even more important. Where did you see the combine participation list? I would like to see that myself. I know at his height at 6'4" and weight about 220 lbs or so, his cone drill will need to be good and has long arms, if he can run in the 4.5-4.6 range that's attractive.
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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    I hope not for his sake. Then his pro day will be even more important. Where did you see the combine participation list? I would like to see that myself.
    He was, Furstenburg was the only Terp invited.

    http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    He was, Furstenburg was the only Terp invited.

    http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list
    Thanks for the link, surprised Vellano was left off the list also. Maryland was tied for most pro's in the ACC with Florida State entering this year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post

    Thanks for the link, surprised Vellano was left off the list also. Maryland was tied for most pro's in the ACC with Florida State entering this year.
    Me too. I thought for sure Vellano and AJ Francis would get an invite.

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    Re: Ok, here it is....my official projected 2013 roster

    Something tells me that the Ravens are going to draft either Minter or T'eo in the first round, and might move up to do it if need be.




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