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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released



    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    I know the FO has stated they don't want to repeat the mistakes of 2001 and do a lot of restructuring or extensions, and I certainly agree with that point of view.

    But ...if they can manage to make one exception to that rule, Anquan Boldin has to be that exception.
    I think they were more talking about restructuring deals like Ngata and Sizzle... as in simply converting salary to bonus money, to kick the can down the street. EXTENDING a player is a different story in my mind.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I think they were more talking about restructuring deals like Ngata and Sizzle... as in simply converting salary to bonus money, to kick the can down the street. EXTENDING a player is a different story in my mind.
    You may well be right. But I guess my thinking is that under the status quo Boldin's contract ends at the end of the 2013 season. Even an extension means they would now have to allocate some cap money for him in 2014 and possibly beyond, right? And if he then retires anyway after 2013, wouldn't there be dead money to account for in 2014? Admittedly I don't have the best handle on these intricacies. I'm just assuming that even an extension isn't wholly without consequences.

    That said, I hope Boldin will be a Raven at least for 2013.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I think they were more talking about restructuring deals like Ngata and Sizzle... as in simply converting salary to bonus money, to kick the can down the street. EXTENDING a player is a different story in my mind.
    Agreed.

    Totally different situation.
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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    Well, quite honestly, he does not have to seperate - Flacco just throws it up, and Q muscles it down, without dropping it! As long as he can still jump and out tough the opponent, keep him.....Streeter will just have to wait until he proves he is the better receiver!
    Seriously, dude took that corner from Indy's arm as a second trophy.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    I'd say Boldin has got two years left before he gets to wear Heap was when we cut him....
    I disagree. Boldin lights people up, Heap got lit up. Boldin is WAY stronger than Heap. Well Boldin might not "light" people up but he's definitely more physical than most CBs.

    These are the top five receivers from last year in terms of receptions: Megatron, Welker, Marshall, Andre Johnson, Reggie. Welker, Andre and Reggie will all be 32 or older starting next season.

    BTW those 5 guys were the only receivers with more than 100 receptions (and other than Marshall none of them had more than 6 TDs). With a new offensive philosophy next year I could see Boldin with a boat load of catches.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    As long as Boldin is being paid by the organization, unless he gets emotional over back to back Championships, he won't retire. At least, the front office would not expect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    You may well be right. But I guess my thinking is that under the status quo Boldin's contract ends at the end of the 2013 season. Even an extension means they would now have to allocate some cap money for him in 2014 and possibly beyond, right? And if he then retires anyway after 2013, wouldn't there be dead money to account for in 2014? Admittedly I don't have the best handle on these intricacies. I'm just assuming that even an extension isn't wholly without consequences.

    That said, I hope Boldin will be a Raven at least for 2013.
    Basically everything you said was correct. An extenstion that lowers his cap number involves a bonus. You use a bonus to push cap dollars into the future.

    I just think we could give him 3 years(including the upcoming year) and at worst be left with 1/3 of the bonus we give him this year, assuming he plays two more years. that's acceptable if you ask me.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    You may well be right. But I guess my thinking is that under the status quo Boldin's contract ends at the end of the 2013 season. Even an extension means they would now have to allocate some cap money for him in 2014 and possibly beyond, right?
    I would assume they would structure it so that they would be able to afford him from a Cap perspective for the next 2 years. After that, in 2015, the Cap should jump substancially and they can much more easily afford to deal wtih any dead money then.

    A 3 year/$15M deal with a $6M bonus (and base salaries of $1M, $3M, $5M) makes sense to me. It give Boldin $7M next year, instead of the $6M he's presently set to make - which should be enticing to him - and would reduce his 2013 Cap hit by $3M.

    His 2014 Cap number would be a reasonable $5M.

    The 3rd year would just be fluff and he could be released with only $2M in dead money that could much more easily be dealt with at that point.
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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    I love Anquan Boldin... hope he retires as a Raven after getting at least another Lombardi! .oO(am a greedy bitch arent I?)

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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    I would assume they would structure it so that they would be able to afford him from a Cap perspective for the next 2 years. After that, in 2015, the Cap should jump substancially and they can much more easily afford to deal wtih any dead money then.

    A 3 year/$15M deal with a $6M bonus (and base salaries of $1M, $3M, $5M) makes sense to me. It give Boldin $7M next year, instead of the $6M he's presently set to make - which should be enticing to him - and would reduce his 2013 Cap hit by $3M.

    His 2014 Cap number would be a reasonable $5M.

    The 3rd year would just be fluff and he could be released with only $2M in dead money that could much more easily be dealt with.
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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    I would assume they would structure it so that they would be able to afford him from a Cap perspective for the next 2 years. After that, in 2015, the Cap should jump substancially and they can much more easily afford to deal wtih any dead money then.

    A 3 year/$15M deal with a $6M bonus (and base salaries of $1M, $3M, $5M) makes sense to me. It give Boldin $7M next year, instead of the $6M he's presently set to make - which should be enticing to him - and would reduce his 2013 Cap hit by $3M.

    His 2014 Cap number would be a reasonable $5M.

    The 3rd year would just be fluff and he could be released with only $2M in dead money that could much more easily be dealt with at that point.
    Thanks for the info and the example, Ravor. Scenario seems quite plausible; I'd be all for it.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Not only is Boldin a popular presence in Baltimore, but Ozzie also really loves Boldin and always has. I have to think they'll do everything they can to extend him. Everyone on the team loves him, with Ray Lewis gone, we need leaders like Boldin in the locker room.

    I love this guy




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    Good news, sounds like he is very flexible reguarding an extension.




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Btw two questions.

    1. Does Boldin go into the ring of honor when he retires a Raven, after probably two more productive seasons (under Caldwell he will go over 1k in at least one year, you heard it here first)

    2. Assuming that happens, is he HOF worthy?




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    Re: Boldin says he will retire if released

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Q's catches this year reminded me of all the O's 1 run wins last year.

    You just kept thinking "how long can this keep up"?

    And they just kept coming.

    Is it repeatable? I doubt it.

    I love Q as a player but he really doesn't separate, and is quite slow at this point. His hands are good, and his toughness and attack on the ball is unquestioned. But I could see the Ravens going more youth oriented. If they pay Joe what he wants, he is expected to perform with any WR. None of our young guys have seized a role, which is the concern.

    I really want to see if Streeter can contribute, and if Doss can turn things around. Jacoby can't be a #2 either. Despite his heroics, I still don't trust his hands.

    The question is always how long is too long with respect to older players. See Mason and Heap. It hurts to see them go but is a necessity in today's NFL cap world..
    boldin's game has never been built on speed, when he is one on one he is open. Now that they are finally using him out of the slot he is dominating. I'd like to see him extended through 2015. Ozzie loves Boldin, he isn't going anywhere. We got great production from Mason well into his 30's. I would expect even better from Boldin.




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