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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?



    The sky is the limit for Joe. The man is officially elite. The first to do this, the first to do that..He will take his game to another level with an entire season under Jim Caldwell next year that's for sure.




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    If Flacco continues to perform as he has over his past five games(and that's a pretty decent sample size, honestly), the descriptions, stats, "eliteness", whatever, will take care of itself.

    The Flacco we've seen over his past five games is the best QB in the NFL, IMO.
    Haha... well.. YEAH! What? 13/0 TD/INT ratio. That is the best QB in the league (and in History) at that moment (by leaps and bounds), and if he continued that rate of success throughout the year he would be the best of all time, forever.

    Seriously, if he just keeps doing what he does, and maybe turns 1 or 2 of his mediocre regular season games into 3 TD/300 yard games = wins, then that should be good. Joe has had some unproductive games... but can anyone think of an instance where Joe has flat out lost the game due to throwing 3-5 INTs? Maybe that Cinci game a few years ago, some will say the late INT in the Steelers Divisional game a few years ago.... but man.... Joe takes care of the ball.
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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I just want long term consistency.

    He showed a LOT of it this postseason...he obviously won't play at that level for a full season, but if he can get rid of the really bad stinkers he has a couple times a year, watchout.
    He's shown consistency. He's been consistent for years, and been just as consistent in getting better with each year and each game during his career here.

    The "inconsistency" he gets dinged for has had far more to do with the offense as a whole than with his level of play.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    The "inconsistency" he gets dinged for has had far more to do with the offense as a whole than with his level of play.
    I'll agree. Also, that "inconsistency" has not shown as poor play (i.e. multiple interception games), it has shown up as a stagnant offense.... which points to the entire team, from the Line, to the running game. That points to a bad OC!




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    I'll agree. Also, that "inconsistency" has not shown as poor play (i.e. multiple interception games), it has shown up as a stagnant offense.... which points to the entire team, from the Line, to the running game. That points to a bad OC!
    Bingo - Cameron's offense was not exactly QB friendly. We are finally seeing what happens when you take the hand cuffs off Joe and put him in an offense he is comfortable with.




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    It's about getting paid. The only reason this came up was because Flacco was nearing free agency. Once he's signed I doubt he'll care what labels anyone uses for him.
    Exactly. $15-$20 mil/5+ year deals makes you elite. Joe is, or will be soon, considered elite. When I try to put definition to the word "elite" it always comes down to who are the top paid QB's in the league. 9 times out of 10 they are paid well because they have played consistently well in big games. Joe has been money in big games for the most part. If you think about it this Lombardi trophy might have been the 2nd in 2 years if not for a dropped pass or a missed FG..
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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    He improved almost all his numbers from his previous year.

    He has set numerous NFL records and tied one for a playoff QB. Right now only ONE current other QB has a chance at Flacco's record of a playoff win in each year of their first 5. Russell Wilson.

    Not just won the SuperBowl, but was MVP.

    Set a record for wins by a QB in first 5 years. Very doubtful anyone is touching that anytime soon.


    And if you want to know if Joe is elite, ask yourself this question. It's 1:30 to go on the opponents 20, 2 time outs, down by 4. Do you put the ball in Joe's hands with the confidence he will score the game winning touchdown?


    Joe Flacco is elite already.




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    And if you want to know if Joe is elite, ask yourself this question. It's 1:30 to go on the opponents 20, 2 time outs, down by 4. Do you put the ball in Joe's hands with the confidence he will score the game winning touchdown?
    1:30? That's an eternity for Joe.




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    This--->
    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    He improved almost all his numbers from his previous year.

    He has set numerous NFL records and tied one for a playoff QB. Right now only ONE current other QB has a chance at Flacco's record of a playoff win in each year of their first 5. Russell Wilson.

    Not just won the SuperBowl, but was MVP.

    Set a record for wins by a QB in first 5 years. Very doubtful anyone is touching that anytime soon.


    And if you want to know if Joe is elite, ask yourself this question. It's 1:30 to go on the opponents 20, 2 time outs, down by 4. Do you put the ball in Joe's hands with the confidence he will score the game winning touchdown?


    Joe Flacco is elite already.
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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    As long as he leads the Ravens to the playoffs and wins another Super Bowl or two, I don't care if he ever becomes elite.




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    Frankly, because so few QB's ever win a SB, wouldnt that, at the very least, put you in an elite group?

    I know folks will use the Trent Dilfer comparison to that comment and you'd be right, but still...I be Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton would trade all of their stats for Dilfer's ring.

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    When people stop posting a new thread daily about whether he is elite or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    There are a lot of conversations about who's the "best" QB in the league, who's "better" than this one or that, who are the "top 3/5/7/10/etc.", and so on, and so on, and....

    I'm not in the camp that believes that Flacco is #1, or elite, or many of the other plaudits I see bestowed on this QB or that. What impresses me is that Flacco has been as "successful" as he has, as a rookie and ongoing during his career. And I'll say this -- give me Trent Dilfer at QB and a Super Bowl victory, versus Brady/Manning(s)/RGIII/Newton/Wilson/Ryan/Rodgers/etc. leading the offense and sucking hind tit.

    But all that as a lead-in, my question to all is, What do you deem as the gold standard for Flacco to be unreservedly considered as a true "best" QB? Or, what does Flacco need to do (stats, or games won, or playoffs/SB appearances, more seasons of winning, whatever) to be mentioned without a lot of friction in the same breath as the Bradys/Manning(s)/RGIIIs/Newtons/Wilsons/Ryans/Rodgers/Randolph Scott/etc.?

    Qunatify what Flacco must deliver.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Super Bowl MVP, 2012 playoffs 11 TDs with zero Interceptions + multiple clutch passes, 9-4 lifetime in the playoffs, 93 straight regular season + playoff games (Iron Man) = elite already. I could give a shit about what the Brady/Manning jock-sniffers like Bayless and Boomer say.
    I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. The dude just tied Joe Montana for an NFL playoff record for throwing TD's. He has more playoff wins than Manning in his whole career. I really can't believe this conversation is gong on with so many of you.

    The "Target" to KEEP, not MAKE Flacco elite, is to maintain a high quality supporting cast, primarily the Offensive line. There is a direct correlation with the Ravens finally getting the right combo on the O line and Joe's success. Keep the protection above average and Joe will make 300 yard games more commonplace than not, thereby maintaining his "elite" status.

    Jeff Saturday and company, plus some speedy recievers and intuitive play calling has let Manning display his talents effectively all these years. It will be the same with Joe.
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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    Sorry duf, this is the first and only thread on this topic I've posted. Has someone else asked for opinions on quantifying Flacco's performance as opposed to just general, "He's elite", or "better", or #1, or "top 10", or some other completely subjective nonsense? If there is such a thread, please give us a link.

    Thanks...




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    Re: What should Flacco's target for "elitism" be?

    He needs the approval of both Skip Bayless and Steeler fans.




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