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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"



    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    100% in agreement with 100% of this.
    Haha... I don't agree with Stafford. I don't buy into him at all. I think without CJ, he doesn't put up anywhere close to the numbers he puts up. Definitely a case of the WR making the QB look better, rather than the QB making the WR look great.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    1) Rodgers
    2) Brady
    3) Peyton
    4) Brees
    5) Eli
    6) Flacco
    7) Matt Ryan
    8) Big Ben

    My current top 7 for next year. If Flacco carries this into next season though, all bets are off.

    Also, never forget Hodge is an idiot.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    Haha... I don't agree with Stafford. I don't buy into him at all. I think without CJ, he doesn't put up anywhere close to the numbers he puts up. Definitely a case of the WR making the QB look better, rather than the QB making the WR look great.
    Well, one thing, the list is interchangeable, you could move him up or down a little and I'd be fine. Second, I'm not sold on him either but he is still very young has a really strong arm and throws the ball really well from a ton of different angles, almost Favre-ish.
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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury View Post
    Haha... I don't agree with Stafford. I don't buy into him at all. I think without CJ, he doesn't put up anywhere close to the numbers he puts up. Definitely a case of the WR making the QB look better, rather than the QB making the WR look great.
    Matt Ryan has three megatons and nobody holds it against him.




  5. #20

    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    He just said Flacco is the best QB and people complain about no respect. People just want to complain.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    I dont think Roethlisberger is a bad QB (2nd tier) but i dont see how you can rank him above Brady. Toughness clearly, but as a QB hes not on that level, imo. Hes also on the downside of his career and seeing as his ability to scramble and make plays being his best attribute hes only going to have his ability go down quicker as his body gives out.

    I like the tiers approach. I dont think there can be more than a few QBs considered Elite. Flacco has the ability to be 1 of those but as of right now Ill still call him outside of that. Brees, Rodgers, Brady are my current "elites", not in any order. Manning because he cant make every thrown anymore is no longer "elite" but his brain still is. Roethlisbergers scrambling makes him, but he doesnt always make great decisions of throw the best ball. Eli is similar with less scrambling but more ability to audible and read defenses. Matt Ryan is probably also in this tier as he has the tools but simply chokes.

    I think what Flacco did was move himself from near the bottom of the 2nd tier ahead of the likes of Jay cutler and Tony Romo, to the top of the tier ahead of Roethlisberger, Manning and Manning. Hes out played Brady twice now, so there is a case hes better than him, but im not sure im ready to say that without some regular season progression to match this playoff run.

    in all honesty without a great O-line Brees and Rodgers have looked less than Elite as well which makes it hard to rank these guys.
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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by RD52 View Post
    He just said Flacco is the best QB and people complain about no respect. People just want to complain.
    He spent the past 10 years bashing the Ravens every chance he gets and now he changes his mind. That's the issue
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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I dont think Roethlisberger is a bad QB (2nd tier) but i dont see how you can rank him above Brady. Toughness clearly, but as a QB hes not on that level, imo. Hes also on the downside of his career and seeing as his ability to scramble and make plays being his best attribute hes only going to have his ability go down quicker as his body gives out.

    I like the tiers approach. I dont think there can be more than a few QBs considered Elite. Flacco has the ability to be 1 of those but as of right now Ill still call him outside of that. Brees, Rodgers, Brady are my current "elites", not in any order. Manning because he cant make every thrown anymore is no longer "elite" but his brain still is. Roethlisbergers scrambling makes him, but he doesnt always make great decisions of throw the best ball. Eli is similar with less scrambling but more ability to audible and read defenses. Matt Ryan is probably also in this tier as he has the tools but simply chokes.

    I think what Flacco did was move himself from near the bottom of the 2nd tier ahead of the likes of Jay cutler and Tony Romo, to the top of the tier ahead of Roethlisberger, Manning and Manning. Hes out played Brady twice now, so there is a case hes better than him, but im not sure im ready to say that without some regular season progression to match this playoff run.
    RE Brady vs Big Jen. Put Brady behind that atrocious Pittsburgh Offensive line and see what you get.

    Ben's ability to extend plays, avoid sacks, breaks tackles/sacks is huge. Brady would likely be out of the league if he had to play behind that.
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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I dont think Roethlisberger is a bad QB (2nd tier) but i dont see how you can rank him above Brady. Toughness clearly, but as a QB hes not on that level, imo. Hes also on the downside of his career and seeing as his ability to scramble and make plays being his best attribute hes only going to have his ability go down quicker as his body gives out.

    I like the tiers approach. I dont think there can be more than a few QBs considered Elite. Flacco has the ability to be 1 of those but as of right now Ill still call him outside of that. Brees, Rodgers, Brady are my current "elites", not in any order. Manning because he cant make every thrown anymore is no longer "elite" but his brain still is. Roethlisbergers scrambling makes him, but he doesnt always make great decisions of throw the best ball. Eli is similar with less scrambling but more ability to audible and read defenses. Matt Ryan is probably also in this tier as he has the tools but simply chokes.

    I think what Flacco did was move himself from near the bottom of the 2nd tier ahead of the likes of Jay cutler and Tony Romo, to the top of the tier ahead of Roethlisberger, Manning and Manning. Hes out played Brady twice now, so there is a case hes better than him, but im not sure im ready to say that without some regular season progression to match this playoff run.

    in all honesty without a great O-line Brees and Rodgers have looked less than Elite as well which makes it hard to rank these guys.
    He has outplayed Brady much more than two times.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    He spent the past 10 years bashing the Ravens every chance he gets and now he changes his mind. That's the issue
    I agree I get that but we are champs!!!!!




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    I don't care what Merrill or anyone else says about him. He doesn't need the approval of some talking head to validate who or what he is. I'm just glad he's ours, and he's going to be around for some years to come.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Well, one thing, the list is interchangeable, you could move him up or down a little and I'd be fine. Second, I'm not sold on him either but he is still very young has a really strong arm and throws the ball really well from a ton of different angles, almost Favre-ish.
    I agree with ya... and I guess I saw him on you're "Tops list" but, when you get down to 12-13.. etc... you're just average. I agree that Stafford is average, or slightly above average. But average is still good. It looks like we are entering an era of great QBs, if these young guys pan out. It's not just Brady and Manning anymore.

    Look at the list of Elite QBs back during the 2000 run.
    Kurt Warner
    Steve McNair
    Brett Favre
    Peyton Manning

    as opposed to what's going on now
    Rogers
    Brees
    Brady
    Manning
    Flacco
    Ryan
    Rothlessburger
    Manning

    and the Future
    Luck
    Kaep
    Wilson
    RG3
    Last edited by RedSkins Fury; 02-05-2013 at 12:53 PM.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    RE Brady vs Big Jen. Put Brady behind that atrocious Pittsburgh Offensive line and see what you get.

    Ben's ability to extend plays, avoid sacks, breaks tackles/sacks is huge. Brady would likely be out of the league if he had to play behind that.
    Which makes him a great, but given time I dont think hes nearly as accurate or reads defenses as well. The main thing that he has is that he extends plays long enough to overcome those deficiencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    He has outplayed Brady much more than two times.
    I guess you can say that. I was referring to the last two times they met, where its not even equal playing field as last year our D was much much better than the Pats and this year where our D was again playing at a higher level than theirs despite not being much better throughout the year. The Broncos game and their D is more telling about Flaccos ability than the Pats game, imo. That was a good passing defense and he still thrived. The "he outplayed Brady" argument isnt really mine but im acknowledging theres an argument to be had that hes better at least in some ways.
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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    He has outplayed Brady much more than two times.
    3 times tops. Only played against him 6 times I think.




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    Re: Merril Hoge: "Flacco best QB in the NFL"

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Which makes him a great, but given time I dont think hes nearly as accurate or reads defenses as well. The main thing that he has is that he extends plays long enough to overcome those deficiencies.
    Hard to say. He's always done well against us...
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