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    The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?



    Much has been made about the pistol and it reminds me a lot of the Wildcat a few years ago. Personally, I don't see it as a long term trend in the league. While effective, the quarterback is exposed to punishment. Kaepernick, Wilson and RG3 have been effective, but they all have the arm strength to be effective pocket passers too. Vick is sort of a model of a running quarterback prior to this year and he has been plagued by injuries. While RG3 had a great rookie campaign he suffered a serious injury that may effect his future mobility. I think all of these guys can have a good career, but I don't think it will last if they keep running.




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    Believe we already have an open thread on this.

    It's not an "offense". It's a formation. And can and has been easily beaten by disciplined D line play and stuffing the exchange.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    Missed that thread/discussion.




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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    No QB is going to stay healthy long enough for it to be more than a 'fad'. I remember when the Wildcat was the craze and the Ravens didn't even seemed phased by it. Everybody was wondering how they would stop it and they crushed it during the regular season, before crushing it again in the playoffs. Miami barely tried it after the first quarter. Ray told the commentators before the game, you just stay in your lane and attack it.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    Depends on what you mean.

    The pistol formation...well, that's just a formation. So, yes, I can see that being here to stay. It is basically a shallow shot-gun formation.

    Now, if you're talking about the zone-read offense with QB's like Kaepernick, RGIII, Cam Newton, etc...I think those offensive plays will be a fad more than anything because defenses will only evolve to defend those types of plays and players.

    That is why even though mobile QB's will be in hot demand, if they can't throw the ball then they're pretty useless.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Depends on what you mean.

    The pistol formation...well, that's just a formation. So, yes, I can see that being here to stay. It is basically a shallow shot-gun formation.

    Now, if you're talking about the zone-read offense with QB's like Kaepernick, RGIII, Cam Newton, etc...I think those offensive plays will be a fad more than anything because defenses will only evolve to defend those types of plays and players.

    That is why even though mobile QB's will be in hot demand, if they can't throw the ball then they're pretty useless.
    Cam Newton is also the only one of those guys with the body to take those kinds of hits over a long period of time. That's why he was so special coming out of college. He's really like Mike Vick but at 250 pounds.




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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    If you think about it, and all of the credit Chris Ault is getting for inventing the pistol offense / formation, it's really so simple. All he did was ask the QB to move up a couple steps. That's it.

    They're running the zone/read and that has found it's place in the NFL I believe. With Seattle, Washington, 9ers and now likely Philly there will be teams running it. The answer should be 'hit the QB over and over' just like Auburn did to Tebow in the National Championship. Kill the head (apologies to greg Williams)
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    Kap isn't small. 6'4 and a solid 235.

    The problem with all running QBs is that unless it's a designed run, they run high because even while scrambling they're looking downfield.

    Running high is a good way to get yourself WRECKED in the NFL.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    One thing I heard Pat Kirwan say yesterday. He broke down every play of Kaepernick's games and when he pulls the ball out of the belly of the RB and looks to throw, he is always going to throw in the direction he is facing.

    So if the RB goes by to his left, he sticks the ball in the bell then pulls it out, he's throwing left 100% of the time. He said the Ravens should cheat to that side until he shows them he can spin and throw it the other way.

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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Kap isn't small. 6'4 and a solid 235.

    The problem with all running QBs is that unless it's a designed run, they run high because even while scrambling they're looking downfield.

    Running high is a good way to get yourself WRECKED in the NFL.
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    I'd also like to see them design a run blitz that gives him the look that he should pull the ball out and run to the edge, only to have Pollard or Ellerbe come crashing down on the corner on a delayed blitz to see if we can rattle his teeth a little.

    You never have more freedom to hit a QB than when he's a runner and I'm willing to give up two or three 8-10 yard QB runs early if we end each of them with a bone crusher.

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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    ^agreed; it would even be worth risking a penalty if they could rattle him good early in the game.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    I'm not sure if the read option is going to see sustained success in the NFL, but I don't think you can judge them like the wildcat.

    When running the read option, the ball is snapped to the QB. So if you line up in pistol with the intent of running the zone read, the defense won't know if you're going to run or pass until you start running the play. In the wildcat you're pretty committed to running, so you become 1-dimensional.

    Chris Brown has written some good articles about both the read option and Pistol formation recently.

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...-49ers-offense

    http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/sm...at-qbs-1232013

    http://www.sbnation.com/longform/201...l-redskins-rg3

    From the 2nd link:
    Ault: Absolutely. I’m not here to tell you that the 49ers should run the read 16, 17 times a game. You can’t do that in the NFL. But I think by running the read play, it’s in your offensive system and you’re going to run it five times, nine times a game, it’s one more thing you’ve got to defend. And then when you throw the play-action pass off it, that’s another thing.
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    How many times has San Fransisco run the pistol formation this postseason?
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    Re: The Pistol Offense, a Fad or Here to Stay?

    This is probably oversimplifying it a bit, but in my mind the major advantage of the read option relative to traditional NFL run plays is that the QB now has value on your run play. In a traditional NFL run-play, the QB hands off and after that it's 10-on-11. In the read option a defender is left unblocked. The QB reads the motion of that defender, and decides whether to keep it or hand it off based on that players motion. The idea is to basically take that player out of the play. If done successfully, you're now pretty much playing 10-on-10.

    As others have pointed out, the primary disadvantage is exposing your QB to more hits. I think you can mitigate this to a degree if you just run the play a handful of times a game. You mitigate it further by having a QB that's smart enough to avoid hits by getting out of bounds and sliding. Vick and so far RGIII have been the poster children for how not to do this. If you take a bigger player like Kaepernick or Newton and they play smart, then maybe the cost-benefit analysis comes out in favor of using the read option from time-to-time. ... maybe
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