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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?



    Disagree Real Fan Dan...Ray Lewis is really who got the negative attention. Jonathan Ogden is a name not talked about often in the headlines...because all he's done is be reliable, hard working, good teammate. That kind of work ethic will get rewarded.

    Maybe they keep Art Modell out, but I think it was always going to be a steep battle to get Art. Out of the 15 finalists, 3 are non-players. With only 5 selections, it would seem like, AT BEST, only one non-player gets in. So he has to beat out Parcells and Debartolo. Debartolo is probably an even toss up with Modell, but Parcells? Nah, I don't think they'd put Modell in over Bill Parcells.
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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure votes have been cast for a few weeks already.
    I think the votes are cast on Saturday. The committee meets, each candidate is presented by the local sports writer, and then they submit their ballots.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Foo...ection_process
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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    ehhh... Marginal for a HOF'er, meaning since he's retired, there have been at least 3 others that had clearly better careers(TO, Ocho and Moss).
    Chris Carter was one of the best WR's of his era and Chad Johnson did not have a better career than him by a long shot. Carter had like 300 more receptions, 2,800 more yards and over 60 TD's more than Ocho. I have no problem if you don't want to make him a "first ballot" guy but he deserves to be in the Hall eventually.




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    It pisses me off that the media heads keep saying that Art Model hurt the city of Cleveland. BS! He gave them a football team to that ungrateful city for decades and when he brought football back to Baltimore, (which I never hear him get credit for), he left those stinking colors and records in Cleveland, unlike when Irsay hurt Baltimore.

    The fact that Baltimore is on the cusp of their 2nd Championship since the move shows that Art did a good thing.




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    It was really interesting to watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life. Two things I took from that show:

    1. Really interesting to see Ozzie remember, after Art told him the team was moving, he said "I'm doing this for 1 reason: To win a championship". Everyone was on record in that video saying that, had Modell not announced the move, they would've gone to the Super Bowl. But after moving everything around, 4 years later, Art would hold his own Lombardi Trophy.

    2. For all the crap I give him, Bill Belichik is a damn good football coach. Built a great system in Cleveland which produced a LOT of football talents (George Kokinis, Phil Savage, Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitrioff, Nick Saban, Eric Mangini, Kirk Ferentz), not to mention Ozzie.
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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    I think JO gets in tomorrow. In my opinion the sports writers will give a higher percentage of votes to JO over Sapp. Strahan is still extremely popular and is pretty much automatic.

    I honestly think Haley might get in before Sapp.




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    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    Chris Carter was one of the best WR's of his era and Chad Johnson did not have a better career than him by a long shot. Carter had like 300 more receptions, 2,800 more yards and over 60 TD's more than Ocho. I have no problem if you don't want to make him a "first ballot" guy but he deserves to be in the Hall eventually.
    I take back Ocho...

    ANd I didn't say he shouldn't get in, jsut that there is no way he should get in before Larry Allen, JO, Strahan or Sapp. I swear if Larry Allen isn't a first Ballot guy I will NEVER VISIT THE HOF EVER. I'm kind of selfishly hoping Reed retires this year so I can plan on a trip in 5 years when the two best Raven's defenders go in the same year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003 View Post
    I think JO gets in tomorrow. In my opinion the sports writers will give a higher percentage of votes to JO over Sapp. Strahan is still extremely popular and is pretty much automatic.

    I honestly think Haley might get in before Sapp.
    I do agree that Sapp is the weakest of a very strong 4 first timers.




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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003 View Post
    I think JO gets in tomorrow. In my opinion the sports writers will give a higher percentage of votes to JO over Sapp. Strahan is still extremely popular and is pretty much automatic.

    I honestly think Haley might get in before Sapp.
    Haley may, but I don't think he should Sapp was a force!!!
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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    JO should get in tomorrow.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Art Model is in, no doubt. Bet the Ranch on it. JO also makes it.
    Art's not getting in this year.

    I've said for 17 years, Art would one day be in the HOF - his accompishments are too great to keep him out forever. But his "punishment" for moving the team would be that he wouldn't live to see that day come.

    I still believe it happens, but maybe not for another 5 years or so. Look, if you took every HOF voter, held their feet to the fire and forced them to tell the truth, I think you'd easily find 75% who would say yes, he deserves to be voted in. But that doesn't mean they WANT to. And given the top-heavy slate of candidates this year, it's just way too easy for them to avoid the controversy altogether, and vote instead for other guys they also feel are deserving. If a worthy candidate's going to get left out, it might as well be the one with a "stain" on their record, right?

    Read what John Clayton had to say about the situation recently: In the same article in which he praises Art Modell as "mostly a model owner", he also stated this:

    "A majority of people in the HOF room -- including me -- never felt comfortable enough to vote him in. Canton is too close to Cleveland. It just didn't feel right."

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/83...wner-many-ways

    Really John?! So if the HOF was in, say, New York, rather than Ohio, you'd vote for him? I personally think that's a cowardly position to take. But if that's what Art is up against - not just the Tony Grossi's, but also voters like John Clayton, whom I believe understands intellectually that he deserves to be in, but is basically looking for an excuse not to vote for him - then he's still got a long climb ahead to make it in.

    I hope I'm completely wrong.
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    Parcells should be #1 in the entire class. I was never a fan of ANY of his teams, but he was a hell of a coach and talent evaluator.




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    Re: Will JO be inducted into the Hall of Fame Tomorrow?

    The list of five that GOTA came up with, of who 'should' get in, I agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The list of five that GOTA came up with, of who 'should' get in, I agree with.
    3 olinemen might be tough, that's part of why I have Sapp over Shields.




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    It's hard to tell but I think JO is a no brainer. I also think Parcells is the most likely of the non-players. That leaves three spots. Many people say that Larry Allen is the best O lineman of all time. He makes three. The three wide receivers are all worthy but one gets in at best. I think it is Carter. Finally, I think it is a toss-up between Haley & Strahan. I'm guessing Haley. Overall, I think Sapp, Strahan, Shields, Greene, Reed, Brown, and Modell (plus maybe Debartalo) are all worthy. One interesting point is that I hear Marvin Harrison is eligible next year? That messes up the WR eligibles.

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