Ray Lewis PED Allegations (Merged)

**HoustonRaven** · 01-30-2013, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by working_man

Again, you are just readily assuming that the "main ingredient" is actually present in the product. According to people way smarter than the jackass at SWATS:

I also assume that in my daily vitamin, I am getting the stuff advertised.

IIRC, the League has a list of approved supplements. Why not just confine yourself to those and be free of doubt?

**JAB1985** · 01-30-2013, 02:50 PM

Banned Substance List

for reference, IGF-1 is a banned substance, not Deer Antler Velvet.

In this instance a trace amount would still be illegal, but as noted it appears its not even possible unless freeze-dried and injected. The science behind it basically means, worst case scenario that if you assume he did get it, did take it, assuming that it had IGF-1 in it, hes still not guilty of anything because it does not in fact have it in it.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-30-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by alienrace

Do we know if Ray actually KNEW that the stuff had IGF-1 in it?

I would say NO, given the past lawsuits against Ross.

Ok. So why call this d-bag in the first place?

**HoustonRaven** · 01-30-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

Banned Substance List

for reference, IGF-1 is a banned substance, not Deer Antler Velvet.

The main ingredient in Deer Antler Velvet, allegedly, is IGF-1.

**alienrace** · 01-30-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Ok. So why call this d-bag in the first place?

Did Ray say he called the guy? All I saw was that he "talked to him". And all we have is the word of Ross saying that he told Ray about the antler spray. Supposedly there is a videotape of the call, so where the hell is the youtube video?

**NCRAVEN** · 01-30-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

The main ingredient in Deer Antler Velvet, allegedly, is IGF-1.

It's also a big ingredient in milk....

**alienrace** · 01-30-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

The main ingredient in Deer Antler Velvet, allegedly, is IGF-1.

For fuck's sake, NO it is not! The main ingredient is BONE(calcium)!!

http://www.suwanneeriverranch.com/WTinfoIantlers.htm

**JAB1985** · 01-30-2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

The main ingredient in Deer Antler Velvet, allegedly, is IGF-1.

how is a few nanograms considered the main ingredient? i cant imagine where 0.00000001 of something is considered the main ingredient. thats also assuming that its actually still present in that form, which seems to be otherwise.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-30-2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by alienrace

For fuck's sake, NO it is not! The main ingredient is BONE(calcium)!!

http://www.suwanneeriverranch.com/WTinfoIantlers.htm

OMG ... Parse words much?

The main "effective" ingredient is IGF-1

I also say that the main ingredient in coffee is caffeine, meaning its the main reason why folks drink it in the morning.

You going to correct me on that too, saying its water?

**alienrace** · 01-30-2013, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

OMG ... Parse words much?

The main "effective" ingredient is IGF-1

You're still WRONG. The main "effective" ingredient in the spray is PROTEIN.

Nieves, who studied nutrition, food and exercise science at Florida State, is the first to extol the virtues of deer velvet, a supplement that has been used in China for thousands of years. His company mentions IGF-1 prominently in its marketing material but only because it is integral to the yearly re-growth of antlers, he said. By the time the harvested antlers are broken down and processed to be sold the substance is essentially an uncomplicated, “super-concentrated” and natural protein.

“We registered our product with the FDA as a food product, it's that natural,” Nieves said. “It is just packed with nutrients.”

**Dirt1** · 01-30-2013, 03:00 PM

They were saying on the radio this morning that you would need to drink 5,000 bottles of that stuff every day to get the benefits they say Ray got. I am confused, was the IGF-1 that Ray is alleged to have taken in oral form or is it a cream? I know that there has been no allegation that he injected it. I think is accusation is BS.

**RavenScallywag** · 01-30-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

They were saying on the radio this morning that you would need to drink 5,000 bottles of that stuff every day to get the benefits they say Ray got. I am confused, was the IGF-1 that Ray is alleged to have taken in oral form or is it a cream? I know that there has been no allegation that he injected it. I think is accusation is BS.

As said in the videotaped phone call, Ray asks if he rubs it on his elbow, and Ross says "no, spray it under your tongue"