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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...



    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    It would -- unless you were illegally taping somebody and did not want to be subject to prosecution.
    Well they've admitted to the recording so how does hearing it make a difference in this case? It would make a difference with the accusation though.




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    This story doesn't pass the smell test. It's not news, it's gossip.

    1. This company, S.W.A.T.S. sells deer antler velvet and holograms and other whacky sounding new age products. Sounds like snake oil to me, and it's very expensive at that.

    2. S.W.A.T.S. allegedly records conversations with celebrities purchasing their product and they drop celebrities names linked with using their products. Heath Evans is one such endorsement and also allegedly the Auburn defense. They have recorded college players when they had an opportunity to give a presentation. Does anyone else think these guys are sleazy?

    3. Just before the biggest media event of the year they decide that is the time to go to the media with this. Right now every possible sports media outlet is covering this story. The impression is that Ray Lewis is a great athlete and because he used the product, it must be the best stuff out there. For their effort they get the benefit of having millions of dollars worth of free publicity by floating this story out there now. They claim on their website that the product is banned pretty much everywhere, but that there is no testing available to catch users.

    Does anyone question their motivation, especially considering the timing of this?

    When ordering the spray on their website, the following message appears:

    Due to such a high demand because of recent news coverage, the delivery of the Utlimate Spray will take at least 15 days for delivery. Thank you for your patience.

    The media stooges are willing accomplices. There's a ton of products on the internet that have unsubstantiated and outrageous claims all over the place. The question is, do you believe Ray Lewis purchased this product over the phone? Or do you believe the company (who is also the only beneficiary of this story) has manipulated the national sports media? Ray is an athlete with the money and access to the best out there, this company is definitely not that.
    The entire thing is highly suspect.

    It appears it was highly calculated to get the most press, and then reap the most benefits (in terms of sales).

    The message on their website further aids my suspicion.




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    THIS DESERVES A NEW THREAD!!!

    Watching ESPN, 2:30 NFL segment, and signing off, the ESPN reporter said about media day in closing, "although Ray Lewis did his best to dodge whatever questions he could"

    I've been replaying it to get it right.




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    This story doesn't pass the smell test. It's not news, it's gossip.

    1. This company, S.W.A.T.S. sells deer antler velvet and holograms and other whacky sounding new age products. Sounds like snake oil to me, and it's very expensive at that.

    2. S.W.A.T.S. allegedly records conversations with celebrities purchasing their product and they drop celebrities names linked with using their products. Heath Evans is one such endorsement and also allegedly the Auburn defense. They have recorded college players when they had an opportunity to give a presentation. Does anyone else think these guys are sleazy?

    3. Just before the biggest media event of the year they decide that is the time to go to the media with this. Right now every possible sports media outlet is covering this story. The impression is that Ray Lewis is a great athlete and because he used the product, it must be the best stuff out there. For their effort they get the benefit of having millions of dollars worth of free publicity by floating this story out there now. They claim on their website that the product is banned pretty much everywhere, but that there is no testing available to catch users.

    Does anyone question their motivation, especially considering the timing of this?

    When ordering the spray on their website, the following message appears:

    Due to such a high demand because of recent news coverage, the delivery of the Utlimate Spray will take at least 15 days for delivery. Thank you for your patience.

    The media stooges are willing accomplices. There's a ton of products on the internet that have unsubstantiated and outrageous claims all over the place. The question is, do you believe Ray Lewis purchased this product over the phone? Or do you believe the company (who is also the only beneficiary of this story) has manipulated the national sports media? Ray is an athlete with the money and access to the best out there, this company is definitely not that.
    Apparently he didn't purchase it, it was just sent to him, I guess so they could use him as an endorsement. Which in a way makes the whole thing shadier, what proof do they have that he ever even received it or intended to sue it if he didn't pay for it.

    doesn't matter though, Ravens fans are the only ones asking these questions. The media is willingly fueling the fire for viewers and opposing teams fans are believing what they want, posting comments on stories like "of course he needed to get his triceps right ASAP, you can't do the stabbing motion without it". Anonymous internet comments are sending us down the shitter.
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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by DonNMass View Post
    THIS DESERVES A NEW THREAD!!!

    Watching ESPN, 2:30 NFL segment, and signing off, the ESPN reporter said about media day in closing, "although Ray Lewis did his best to dodge whatever questions he could"

    I've been replaying it to get it right.
    What a jackass thing to say.




  6. #156

    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Timeline.

    After Dallas game, Ray is in hospital getting tests done on eastern time.
    He calls this guy on SUNDAY NIGHT DALLAS TIME! So, this guy 'happens to be in his office Sunday night" to record a spontaneous call, C'mon.
    You really think this businessman who has $ is on a Sunday night laying around his office 2 hours later than Baltimore time? Really....
    Then he can set up video/audio tape of conversation? If he is credible does he audio/video his clients?
    This is total BS..
    Anyone who beleives this is a total idiot and the media should be held accountable for falling for it.

    people need things to talk about.

    From a business point of view, good publicity or bad publicity is good marketing, this guy got tons of FREE publicity to sell his crap. He just made millions today selling his junk to fools in gyms looking for an edge. Very shrewd, scumbag.




  7. #157

    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    What a jackass thing to say.
    Why should Ray give this clown any media attention which he is using Ray to do? It's Ray's and the Ravens day, not some snake oil salesman.




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Why should Ray give this clown any media attention which he is using Ray to do? It's Ray's and the Ravens day, not some snake oil salesman.
    The ESPN reporter is a jackass for wording his statement to make it seem as though Ray is guilty by trying to avoid questions.

    It's a common media tactic.

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    Way Down South in New Orleans




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    Wow, people are really letting SI have it for this, as they should.




  11. #161

    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Here is what we know.

    Ray did in fact talk to the guy after his injury and asked him to send him some of the "stuff". (Ray admitted to it at the bottom of the SI story).

    Lewis had not talked to media for 10 weeks while he rehabbed his injury. Asked by SI if he had worked with Key and Ross during his recovery, he initially demurred. "I didn't work with them personally this time," he said.

    When pressed, Lewis said, "Nobody helped me out with the rehab. I've been doing S.W.A.T.S. for a couple years through Hue Jackson, that's it. That's my only connection to them."

    Asked if he had talked to Ross the night of his injury, Lewis replied, "I told him to send me some more of the regular stuff, the S.W.A.T.S., the stickers or whatever."

    And did they help?

    "I think a lot of things helped me."

    So would he suggest S.W.A.T.S. to other players?

    "If I did, I would've done said it by now," Lewis said. Asked specifically about the spray and the pills, Lewis walked away without comment.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2JOkAiPAA
    The guy Ross says that he sent him a package with the antler stuff.

    The question is, did Ray use the antler stuff after he got it. I think the fact that the guy spoke with Ray and sent him a package is pretty much not up for debate. It all depends on if you specifically believe that the guy...

    A. Sent him the antler stuff.

    and/or

    B. Ray said on the phone "do I spray it on my arm or under my tounge".

    I get the feeling of needing to defend Ray, but IMHO, objectively looking at this, there is a lot of "evidence". Is it enough to convict if this was a court case? Probably not at least until/unless the phone call is released. If this were any other player, we'd be looking at this from an entirely different perspective.

    I'm just saying the "this is bullshit" and "there isn't anything to this story at all" isn't really accurate.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Ray Lewis should sue SI.




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    BTW, here's the story from 2 years ago - I'm not really sure that today's news is much different.

    Other than the fact, I guess, that if he's been using the stuff for 2 years, he's never tested positive for anything banned.

    http://www.thepostgame.com/features/...ny-linked-bann
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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Who contacted who? I've seen reports saying Lewis was calling them, I've seen others that this guy texted Ray and reached out to him first?

    It sounds like he used or received some of their products, but again, he's never failed anything. Has a relationship with another type of supplement company I think too, so that could be the reason for some of the denial?
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    Re: Oh, geez, here it comes (dread)...

    Drew on WNST says that the IGF-1 stuff wasn't illegal 2 years ago.

    That may help explain no failed tests.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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