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  1. #91

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money



    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    I always loved how we were simply kool aid drinking purple glasses wearing homers for saying Flacco had the potential to do exactly what he's doing, and they were just REALISTS who saw Joe for what he REALLY WAS. And if we just stopped BALLWASHING it would be SO OBVIOUS.

    Welp, I always knew time would prove me right... Feels good man. Feels good.
    Feels damn good




  2. #92

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    I'm going to wait for the end results to the game and assess how Joe plays. Then perhapss we have some clarity as to where his contract numbers start and end. I will say this. You absolutely have start at 6 yrs, 100M. At this point in the game Joe is not getting cheaper but potentially more expensive.




  3. #93

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The man had an Offensive Coordinator whose job, correct me if I'm wrong, is to put his offensive talent in the best position to succeed through play calling. Yet, he felt that audibles were overrated and that he didn't want a QB who had to get into a rhythm? He actually said that foolishness out of his mouth?

    I mean, look at the drastic change in the way the offense runs, since that man was fired:

    Ray Rice in space and in motion more frequently.
    Boldin in the slot more frequently
    More frequent use of stacks
    Using the 15 Yard In to combat the deep double cover over top of Torrey
    McKinnie (Finally in shape) at LT. Oher at RT. Osemele at LG.
    More freedom at the line of scrimmage for Flacco.
    Ray Rice cutting to the middle of the field to keep the screen pass alive when the defense makes the initial read on it.
    Joe Flacco's improvement on the move, both inside and outside of the pocket.

    Damn near everything we've called for, for years.
    Funny how that works, isn't it?





  4. #94

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    I'm going to wait for the end results to the game and assess how Joe plays. Then perhapss we have some clarity as to where his contract numbers start and end. I will say this. You absolutely have start at 6 yrs, 100M. At this point in the game Joe is not getting cheaper but potentially more expensive.
    Newsflash: the results are already in. Some of us just see them more clearly, and quicker, than others. 5 straight post season appearances, no missed games, a flubbed catch away from back to back super bowl appearances, etc, etc, etc. But for some people, enough is never quite enough, is it?




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    I always loved how we were simply kool aid drinking purple glasses wearing homers for saying Flacco had the potential to do exactly what he's doing, and they were just REALISTS who saw Joe for what he REALLY WAS. And if we just stopped BALLWASHING it would be SO OBVIOUS.

    Welp, I always knew time would prove me right... Feels good man. Feels good.
    I know I was accused of being a "hugger" a few times, even when I was just pointing out some obvious things about the offensive line and receivers.

    Personally I felt I was always pretty objective about Joe, but that came off as being a purple glasses wearing homer to some.

    Regardless of what happens sunday, the debate on Joe should be over. That in and of itself feels good. I know haters are still gonna hate(Skip), but Joe's body of work like some others have said, is amazing when you tally up the five years, and is likely to not be replicated any time soon.

    I have been a fan of Flacco's since I heard Pat Kirwin and Ross Tucker talk about and interview him in March 2008, and was really hoping that they would draft him. I think it was Gota who mentioned drafting Flacco even before that, so when that interview came on I paid attention. There was just something about the guy that screamed future star. Then they talked about Matt Ryan and how his workouts were all scripted heavily, and he seemed robotic in his interviews, etc. I always trusted Kirwin and Tucker's points of view, so at that point I sighed a breath of relief when Atlanta traded up to get Ryan.

    The one thing that stuck out in my mind in Kirwin/Tucker's discussion was that they said that Ryan would be the more "NFL ready" QB but that Flacco had the ability to much better than Ryan could hope to be. Seems they were right.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Flacco may want to sign a contract after the season and avoid the franchise tag. I think his value will be at its peak provided the Ravens win the Super Bowl and he plays well. It wasn't that long ago when all of the talk around Flacco's contract was how he was losing millions of dollars with his play during the Ravens losing streak. That was when the offensive line and defense were struggling (before McKinnie was inserted and KO and Oher were moved to their best positions). Now, everyone knows that the Ravens roster is going to look very different next year even if the Ravens franchise Flacco. They are going to be up against the cap, and a number of familiar players will be gone. If the Ravens offensive line and defense struggles next year, will we see the Flacco that we have seen in the playoffs, or the Flacco we saw when everyone was saying that he is losing millions of dollars with his play? I think the Ravens will make Flacco a very fair offer after the Super Bowl, and that he should take it. There is no guarantee that Flacco's price will continue to go up next year with a Ravens team that will be in a bit of a rebuilding mode.




  7. #97

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    His numbers have been nothing but "elite" since Caldwell took over (105.5 QBR 12TD 1 INT). The ability has always been there, he just hasnt been put in position to put up the stats that others do, nor was he asked to. Most people say the inconsistency is the biggest issue but hes been completely consistent since Caldwell took over. Assuming its true that they offered him that based on what they felt he was capable of before, how can they not project him higher now. 16 million is where theyre at, hes raised his negotiating point to 20. they meet at 17 or 18 a year thats not really beyond the realm of plausible. 96-108 million over 6 years, structured properly wont be much different and congrats to Flacco for saying hes a top 5 and going out and getting exactly that despite the haters.
    -JAB




  8. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    The Ravens don't have a crystal ball. At several points during the season, when Joe wasn't playing nearly as well as he is now, many board members were saying how that was actually working in our favor.

    And it's not like the Ravens didn't try to work out a deal with Joe.
    Exactly. Was anyone here really saying that they should have offered him $20M/year back in Sept?

    They supposedly were offering him $15-16/year back in Sept. They apparently weren't that far off on the total value, but the guaranteed money wasn't to Flacco's liking. Given his inconsistencies to that point, I don't think anyone would have complained about the Ravens trying to be a bit protective of the guaranteed money (since that's what can come back an haunt you if the inconsistencies continue).
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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Exactly. Was anyone here really saying that they should have offered him $20M/year back in Sept?
    I can offer you a lot of names that actually did believe that around here lol...

    I'm still not quite sure if Flacco is worth 20 mills a year. 16.5 a year is about fair IMO, he is pretty much in the same market as Roethlisberger and Eli IMO, looks like he sees him self even higher than that...




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I can offer you a lot of names that actually did believe that around here lol...

    I'm still not quite sure if Flacco is worth 20 mills a year. 16.5 a year is about fair IMO, he is pretty much in the same market as Roethlisberger and Eli IMO, looks like he sees him self even higher than that...
    You can't look back at contracts from years ago. They are looking at contracts which just got signed and potential future contracts. A 36 year old Peyton coming off a major neck surgery got 5/96 mil. Why wouldn't Flacco ask for 20 mil? He's young, never missed a game and been on absolute fire once Cameron got fired. Flacco is a franchise QB that you build around.




  11. #101

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I can offer you a lot of names that actually did believe that around here lol...

    I'm still not quite sure if Flacco is worth 20 mills a year. 16.5 a year is about fair IMO, he is pretty much in the same market as Roethlisberger and Eli IMO, looks like he sees him self even higher than that...
    Im hopeful that he "settles" for that 16-17 range but i think hes said as much. He doesnt think hes one of the best, he thinks he IS the best. Knowing thats how he approaches the game i dont think its odd to ask for the most money, but hopefully his agent and ozzie can come to a compromise.

    If it really was just guaranteed money being the issue, i dont see an issue. Hes going to be our qb the next 6-7 years regardless unless hes out of the league due to injury, which you cant really prepare for.
    -JAB




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Exactly. Was anyone here really saying that they should have offered him $20M/year back in Sept?

    They supposedly were offering him $15-16/year back in Sept. They apparently weren't that far off on the total value, but the guaranteed money wasn't to Flacco's liking. Given his inconsistencies to that point, I don't think anyone would have complained about the Ravens trying to be a bit protective of the guaranteed money (since that's what can come back an haunt you if the inconsistencies continue).
    I don't like the term "hometown discount", but it would be nice if Joe decided winning consistently depends on keeping a strong supporting cast and that winning consistently is more fun then earning $20 million vs. $16 million and maybe not winning consistently.

    Fix that guaranteed money part Ravens.




  13. #103

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    You can't look back at contracts from years ago. They are looking at contracts which just got signed and potential future contracts. A 36 year old Peyton coming off a major neck surgery got 5/96 mil. Why wouldn't Flacco ask for 20 mil? He's young, never missed a game and been on absolute fire once Cameron got fired. Flacco is a franchise QB that you build around.
    ^^^This. It seems as if some folks still don't really get it.




  14. #104

    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by JStruds View Post
    I don't like the term "hometown discount", but it would be nice if Joe decided winning consistently depends on keeping a strong supporting cast and that winning consistently is more fun then earning $20 million vs. $16 million and maybe not winning consistently.

    Fix that guaranteed money part Ravens.
    Maybe if Suggs and Ngata and some others had taken that approach, it would either be more relevant to Joe, or wouldn't even be an issue at all. The reality is, Joe is worth more to the team's success, past, present, and future, than any other player. That's the true nature of a franchise QB.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    ^^^This. It seems as if some folks still don't really get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Maybe if Suggs and Ngata and some others had taken that approach, it would either be more relevant to Joe, or wouldn't even be an issue at all. The reality is, Joe is worth more to the team's success, past, present, and future, than any other player. That's the true nature of a franchise QB.
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