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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money



    I wouldn't consider myself a "casual fan" if that was aimed at me. i spend a lot of time watching both the NFL and college ball. I invest money in NFL gamepass and ESPN so that i can watch football, and i have spent a lot of time watching college game recordings, purely to see who the Ravens may take a look at in the draft. Just because I had reservations about Flacco after the Denver game abput being an elite QB that does not make me a casual fan that sees everything black and white. I said that Flacco can win you a SB with the right supporting cast, whats so qrong with that? I have changed my opinion of him now and he proved me wrong about where he belongc in the
    conversation. Now can we please move on from what I said back in December?


    Excuse any grammar mistakes, posting this on my android.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Flacco, like most QBs, needs time to throw to be effective. His play significantly improved once the Ravens made those cahnges on the OL, because that when he started getting more time to throw. That OL protection is going to be key in the Super Bowl, especially with a guy like Aldon Smith (19.5 sacks this year) rushing the QB. The Ravens are going to have some issues on the OL next year due to their cap situation. I think Flacco would be well advised to make the best deal he can and then sign a long term contract this off-season. The franchise tag could be a lot more problematic for him than it would be for a LB or a CB, because the QB is dependent on good OL play. Flacco's numbers could drop off significantly next year if he plays under the franchise tag.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Great post man. Thanks.

    Its as if some people would want you banned for thinking Flacco wasn't elite then back pedaling as if its a viscous crime lol.
    No, they just call out people that were idiotic to think flacco was the cause of all the problems on offense when most people could see the issue for what it really was. Play calling and protection.

    He isn't a rod who can work with worse protection, he's not that level, but if you give him protection he can play to arods level. Most people knew that protection combined with play calling would result in what we've seen recently.

    You were just on a mission to destroy flacco and now that people, well one person has called you out you seem as if you can't take it when you should be ale to man up and say you were wrong. Instead you get snarky and have a go at someone for quoting a post you made, which even said you can see joe not being here next season.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I wouldn't consider myself a "casual fan" if that was aimed at me.
    It wasn't aimed at you at all Leach - it was aimed at the woman in that office.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    In my eyes, and many others, the debate is over. Looking at his body of work(and it's record setting numbers in some cases), and looking at how well he has played over the past month and a half, coming up clutch in the biggest of situations, the truth as I see it is, the guy is one of the best QB's in the league.

    I don't care what happens sunday. I've seen enough, Joe Flacco is one of the best QB's in the NFL, period. And he's gonna get paid like it too.
    This is where I've been. And you know last night I watched Sound FX, the Best of Joe Flacco and it reminded me of just how good this guy can be, and has become. I maintained even though being accused of putting him over the team that Flacco had the ability to become an "elite" QB, even if he wasn't there yet. He has been without a shadow of a doubt the best quarterback the Ravens have had since I started watching them, and I feel like as long as he is here this is a constant playoff team.

    Beyond the money, just for the respect, I want the Ravens to win tomorrow as much for Joe Flacco as for Ray Lewis. I would love to see an image of both Flacco and Lewis holding up the Lombardi together, one hand on each side. One great middle finger to the rest of the country who helped pound on Flacco all year long.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    I have been reading this board for far less time than some and really respect many of the posters opinions but all of them have said stuff that I either did not agree with or later proved to not come to pass. Its the nature of sports and one of the reasons we all love them. Football is played once a week, you have a full week to get worked up about game coming up and a full week to digest a bad performance when it happens time to time. Sometimes we all post things in the emotion of the moment and later go back and read them and think ...hmmm maybe I was a bit strong on that or even ...wth was I thinking lol. Bottom line is we all love this team and unfortunately we all sometimes say the stupidest things about or to the things we love most Its just being human...something else we all have in common
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  7. Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    No, they just call out people that were idiotic to think flacco was the cause of all the problems on offense when most people could see the issue for what it really was. Play calling and protection.

    He isn't a rod who can work with worse protection, he's not that level, but if you give him protection he can play to arods level. Most people knew that protection combined with play calling would result in what we've seen recently.

    You were just on a mission to destroy flacco and now that people, well one person has called you out you seem as if you can't take it when you should be ale to man up and say you were wrong. Instead you get snarky and have a go at someone for quoting a post you made, which even said you can see joe not being here next season.
    Good post.

    I have always been in the Joe is a great QB camp. It always bothered me that people would compare Joe to to the top QBs in year 7 and 8 while he was in year 3 or 4. Guys like Rodgers were still on the bench while Joe was chasing championships.
    Joe made plenty of mistakes along the way, but people were acting like he was the only QB to be inconsistant, while consistantly winning.

    I think that this year Joe has finnally reached the top tier of QBs. He was not there until this year, but to me it was obviously coming based on what he did year 1.

    Rodgers also has a lot of talent at WR and TE. The OL is not that good, and he is the best right now, but he is not making something out of nothing either. QB is only one of 11 positions on offense. Our OL shuffle and all the huge individual big plays made by the skill guys show how important every position can be.

    Last year guys other than the QB for both the Ravens and 49rs dropped the ball in the key situations that would have put them in the SB. I always thought QBs were over rated, but I played DE, so I may be biased.







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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    This is where I've been. And you know last night I watched Sound FX, the Best of Joe Flacco and it reminded me of just how good this guy can be, and has become. I maintained even though being accused of putting him over the team that Flacco had the ability to become an "elite" QB, even if he wasn't there yet. He has been without a shadow of a doubt the best quarterback the Ravens have had since I started watching them, and I feel like as long as he is here this is a constant playoff team.

    Beyond the money, just for the respect, I want the Ravens to win tomorrow as much for Joe Flacco as for Ray Lewis. I would love to see an image of both Flacco and Lewis holding up the Lombardi together, one hand on each side. One great middle finger to the rest of the country who helped pound on Flacco all year long.
    Hoping they also win for Art Modell and his family, even in death, they will be happy for the Ravens to win. Also the cleveland people will hate it and that will make Art legend that much more special. Hoping Art makes the HOF, but doesn't seem likely.

    Pay the man, Ravens need him to continue the post season streak. Without Flacco, the Ravens football season would be like most of the other Nfl teams. Sixteen games abd go home and watch the postseason. Oh yea, anyone heard from lamarr woodley yet?




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I said that Flacco can win you a SB with the right supporting cast, whats so qrong with that? I have changed my opinion of him now and he proved me wrong about where he belongc in the conversation. Now can we please move on from what I said back in December?
    Which QB's do you think could win a SB without "the right supporting cast"?




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    Which QB's do you think could win a SB without "the right supporting cast"?
    Yeah I agree. It's a dumb statement to say that a SB winning QB needs the "right supporting cast". Well gee thanks captain obvious it is a FUCKING TEAM SPORT. Flacco can't throw it to himself, block for himself or play defense.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Yeah I agree. It's a dumb statement to say that a SB winning QB needs the "right supporting cast". Well gee thanks captain obvious it is a FUCKING TEAM SPORT. Flacco can't throw it to himself, block for himself or play defense.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    People should understand that compensation for a QB isn't an exact science, and just because somebody is paid more than another player, it doesn't mean that they're better. There are other factors like leverage, timing, age, and durability that need to be considered. Of coarse Brady, Manning, and Brees have put up a ton of numbers and won SB's, their value is going to be diminished because of their age. You also get more favorable contracts when you have favorable timing and leverage. By this, I'm mainly referring to working out a deal a year or two before the contract expires (or before) and secondarily the availability and feasibility of using a franchise tag. Players might take a slight paycut to have the long-term certainty of a contract verses playing with very little time left on the deal. We tried to work this out with Flacco, but he hadn't shown us enough at the time. Ironically, this is working out in his favor now.

    Another issue dealing with timing is the assumption that contracts get bigger and bigger as time goes on. While we know that the cap will be flat for the next few years, it had been going up regularly, and it will be going up in the future. So, what is seen as a huge contract now, might become pretty ordinary in a few years.

    Flacco is going to be paid top dollar either way, either with us or without us. Sure, we can tag him for a year or two, but eventually the tag will get too big for us to handle.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Leach, we've had how many debates about who should be the focal point of this offense and how? You saying that the offense should run through Rice and that this team needs to gear its draft towards returning to smashmouth power running and top notch defense? Me saying that Rice should be used as an extension of Flacco in the passing game?

    How many times have you said that Joe is just slightly above a game manager QB and that you don't believe he'll ever be more than that, just an above average QB who could win the Super Bowl with a top 5 defense and running game?

    Saying that you would only give Joe slightly more than Matt Schaub?

    The quote that has already been rehashed in this very thread?

    Personally, I haven't read a comment from you about Joe being elite until they beat New England.
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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Pay the Super Bowl MVP! (A LTC, no franchise tag crap.)




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Pay the man!
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