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01-29-2013, 10:49 PM #133Legendary RSR Poster
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01-29-2013, 10:53 PM #137Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I agree wholeheartedly. What I'm saying is that two major organizational decisions, especially the decision to keep Cameron on board despite the clear disconnect between him and Joe, negatively impacted Joe. Yet, for some posters, the brunt of everything still somehow falls on Joe. There's no doubt in my mind that CAMERON was the one who kept implementing inconsistent game plans, especially between home games and road games. "Communication problems" were often sited, but never resolved. Now, it seems hip to keep tossing out Joe's "inconsistency", as if repeating a lie over and over again is going to turn it into the truth. Joe had one bad game against the Broncos, and the Ravens as a team lost 3 games in a row. THAT'S IT. Other than that, Joe has been the MODEL of consistency. If anything, Cameron was inconsistent, and it affected everything on the offense, especially Joe. But for some unknown reason, that reality is constantly being ignored by certain posters. It's totally bassackward.
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01-29-2013, 10:54 PM #138Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
There's no way you can prove that Cameron was the sole problem. The only way you can prove that is if Joe IS consistent without Cameron. 3-4 games isn't enough to judge. And he looked very much the same in the first Denver game. I get there wasn't that much time for Caldwell, but the fact still remains.
Joe has had great 3-4 game stretches before. I hope it is permanent but it's impossible to say that it will be. 2 quarters ago, this entire board was trashing Jim Caldwell for his playcalling and Joe for his inconsistency. You should have seen this board midway through the Pats game.
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01-29-2013, 11:03 PM #141
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I wasn't referring to wins, I was using the obvious eye test that any football fan could use to assess Joe's level with. Even still the, 'until last year' part says to me that you've just proven my entire point. Even with all the stuff going on in the background with the organization, coaching changes and player changes Joe has stood fast and continued to help the Ravens win games. Sanchez in a word, hasn't. Boom.
Pro Bowls? Oh, that thing that is based entirely off public perception? The same people who put all of the blame on Rahim Moore and give no credit to either Jacoby Jones or Flacco for the 70 yard, accurate bomb to tie it up with nary but less than a minute to win the game? Those people? Yea, that's a REAL bummer dude.
Numbers mean almost nothing. Hey, Matt Ryan's numbers were great. Once again, using the eye test, it's pretty obvious that he plays in a nice comfy dome most of the year, plays against cupcake teams but when the game is on the line he melts like an ice cube in Arizona. Joe doesn't. The numbers may not belie that certainty but the playoffs sure do. Joe hasn't just done it in three games guy, he's been doing it for three years.
If he comes out and throws a stinker, yup. He's still consistent. Weren't you JUST trumpeting that a few games can't decide the level of consistency or not? Over the last three years, he's been about as consistent as you can get at quarterback. Period. If he muffs up the Super Bowl, that doesn't take away how clutch he's been for the other five years he's played here. Unless your own logic is wrong?
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
He's been consistently above average sure, with spurts of greatness (2012 playoffs). He hasn't been consistently better than Peyton or Brady.
And not that Pro Bowls are the end-all be-all, but they are voted on by the players as well.
Has he ever been top 5 at his position? I'd say no. Why should he be paid as such?
He's going to get paid and he should get paid. Should he get paid better than Peyton just because he had a better game than him? Absolutely not.Last edited by s.r.genovese; 01-29-2013 at 11:11 PM.
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01-29-2013, 11:10 PM #143
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Who brought up Peyton or Brady? I didn't mention them in the original post you quoted, so why are you bringing them up? They're not even the guys whose contracts Joe's would be measured up against since he's so much younger.
You obviously don't have to be a 'Top 5' at your position to get a big contract, look around at all the young QBs in the league. They're getting top dollar just for being young QBs even if they've never even been to the playoffs. You are making less and less sense to me lol.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
The original point being made by Excellector was about how he outplayed Peyton and deserves a contract similar to his. I was originally refuting this idea.
He'll get a big contract and he deserves one. He just doesn't deserve to be paid better than Peyton just because he outplayed him in a playoff game. You have to look at his whole body of work, which was my original point I think.
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