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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
His numbers have been nothing but "elite" since Caldwell took over (105.5 QBR 12TD 1 INT). The ability has always been there, he just hasnt been put in position to put up the stats that others do, nor was he asked to. Most people say the inconsistency is the biggest issue but hes been completely consistent since Caldwell took over. Assuming its true that they offered him that based on what they felt he was capable of before, how can they not project him higher now. 16 million is where theyre at, hes raised his negotiating point to 20. they meet at 17 or 18 a year thats not really beyond the realm of plausible. 96-108 million over 6 years, structured properly wont be much different and congrats to Flacco for saying hes a top 5 and going out and getting exactly that despite the haters.
-JAB
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01-29-2013, 12:31 PM #98
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Exactly. Was anyone here really saying that they should have offered him $20M/year back in Sept?
They supposedly were offering him $15-16/year back in Sept. They apparently weren't that far off on the total value, but the guaranteed money wasn't to Flacco's liking. Given his inconsistencies to that point, I don't think anyone would have complained about the Ravens trying to be a bit protective of the guaranteed money (since that's what can come back an haunt you if the inconsistencies continue).
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I can offer you a lot of names that actually did believe that around here lol...
I'm still not quite sure if Flacco is worth 20 mills a year. 16.5 a year is about fair IMO, he is pretty much in the same market as Roethlisberger and Eli IMO, looks like he sees him self even higher than that...
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01-29-2013, 12:51 PM #100Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
You can't look back at contracts from years ago. They are looking at contracts which just got signed and potential future contracts. A 36 year old Peyton coming off a major neck surgery got 5/96 mil. Why wouldn't Flacco ask for 20 mil? He's young, never missed a game and been on absolute fire once Cameron got fired. Flacco is a franchise QB that you build around.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Im hopeful that he "settles" for that 16-17 range but i think hes said as much. He doesnt think hes one of the best, he thinks he IS the best. Knowing thats how he approaches the game i dont think its odd to ask for the most money, but hopefully his agent and ozzie can come to a compromise.
If it really was just guaranteed money being the issue, i dont see an issue. Hes going to be our qb the next 6-7 years regardless unless hes out of the league due to injury, which you cant really prepare for.-JAB
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01-29-2013, 12:58 PM #102Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I don't like the term "hometown discount", but it would be nice if Joe decided winning consistently depends on keeping a strong supporting cast and that winning consistently is more fun then earning $20 million vs. $16 million and maybe not winning consistently.
Fix that guaranteed money part Ravens.
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01-29-2013, 01:04 PM #103Pro Bowl Poster
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01-29-2013, 01:06 PM #104Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Maybe if Suggs and Ngata and some others had taken that approach, it would either be more relevant to Joe, or wouldn't even be an issue at all. The reality is, Joe is worth more to the team's success, past, present, and future, than any other player. That's the true nature of a franchise QB.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Wins is a terrible measuring stick for a QB. Up until last year, Sanchez had comparable win statistics through his first 3 years, including 2 AFC Championship appearances.
The guy has earned his cash and if/when he wins the Super Bowl it will be a great feeling. However, 3-4 games of amazing play doesn't really assuage worries of inconsistency. The guy is a great QB and will be here for a long time.
However, no one has enough information to say that Flacco has gotten over those consistency issues. 3 games is just not enough time. Which is why you have to base the contract on his entire body of work (0 Pro Bowls, never passed for more than 4000 yards, etc) rather than JUST the past 3 games. The past three games are important. Winning a Super Bowl is important. It's earned him a lot of money. But you can't discount his past inconsistency an,d at times, 'pedestrian' numbers just because he has had a strong playoff run.
That's all I'm saying. The only way to prove he is a consistent QB is to be consistent. And he hasn't had enough time to do that. What if he comes out, god forbid, and throws 2 INTS and goes 12/30 for 170 yards in the Super Bowl? Is he still the 'consistent' QB that you project him to be?
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01-29-2013, 05:15 PM #107
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