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01-29-2013, 11:17 PM #145Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I had a few choice words for Caldwell's game calling the first half as well. And guess what? As SOON as Caldwell just put the ball in Joe's hands, Joe won the freakin game! And Joe put the ball right in Evans' hands LAST year as well. And Joe had the Ravens ahead of the Steelers before the team fell apart in the second half several years ago. What the hell MORE do you want in terms of "consistency", man?
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I mean, you can't sit here and say you didn't complain about Joe's offensive struggles (especially on the road), over the past 2 years.
I'm really glad he turned it up when it mattered but it doesn't change the fact that his yards and TD totals are middle of the pack, mainly because of his inconsistency. I don't think top 10 in yards is THAT much to ask over the course of a regular season (which he has done once in his career). It's not the end all be all, clearly, but it's also not too much to ask from a guy who might get paid 18-20 mil per year.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
That's fair; I could change that statement to: "I don't think it's to much to ask for Flacco to have a QB Rating (which takes into account TD:INT ratio), in the top 10 if we're going to pay him 18-20 mil." Again, he's only done that once.
I'm not saying Joe isn't a good QB, I'm just saying to pump the brakes a little on "pay him WHATEVER he wants." All I'm saying is pay him in relation to his performance over the past 5 years, not just his performance over the past 4 games.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Ratings are tricky too, at least in context of ranking. Playing in the Coryell tends to lead to lower rankings that playing in the WC with the short, safe passes. Joe's rating for his career is around 88, right? I'd be curious to how that compares to some of the great QB's of the past(post 1978, anyway).
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01-30-2013, 01:24 AM #150Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Really? Oh yes, I can. It was obvious the problem was Cameron, and nothing has changed. Joe Flacco has done MORE with less -- less O-line, less elite WRs, and definitely less OC creativity -- than ANY QB in the NFL. That's how I see it, and that's how I've seen it for years. I have no idea what you've been seeing, but clearly, it's not the same.
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Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Thats true. Let's go through some Coryell Qbs in the modern era. The coaches who are Coryell disciples are: Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Al Saunders and Tom Moore.
Phillip Rivers: 94.5
Kurt Warner (under Martz): 94.05
Marc Bulger: 84.4
Manning (under Tom Moore): 94.9
Flacco: 86.3
I think he stacks up around the same place as I was saying. Pretty good for sure, but statistically not quite in the top echelon.
Also interestingly enough Dan Fouts' career QBR is 80.2. Yeesh. He was pretty terrible up until about 1979... right around when Don Coryell came to town.Last edited by s.r.genovese; 01-30-2013 at 02:07 AM.
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01-30-2013, 03:09 AM #153Pro Bowl Poster
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And all of those coaches ran completely different variants.
You're also not taking into account adjustments and play calling. In reality, you're doing a pretty good job of cherry picking and goal post moving.
I got news for you duder: Avg QB's dont carry teams through the post season, through two of the top teams in the AFC, and through one of the top rated defenses in the league.
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