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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money



    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Really? Oh yes, I can. It was obvious the problem was Cameron, and nothing has changed. Joe Flacco has done MORE with less -- less O-line, less elite WRs, and definitely less OC creativity -- than ANY QB in the NFL. That's how I see it, and that's how I've seen it for years. I have no idea what you've been seeing, but clearly, it's not the same.
    Nope, it isn't the same. Certainly Cameron is partly to blame but it's hard to blame him for the first Denver game debacle, in which Flacco looked like the same inconsistent guy we had seen over the past 4 years.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Ratings are tricky too, at least in context of ranking. Playing in the Coryell tends to lead to lower rankings that playing in the WC with the short, safe passes. Joe's rating for his career is around 88, right? I'd be curious to how that compares to some of the great QB's of the past(post 1978, anyway).

    Thats true. Let's go through some Coryell Qbs in the modern era. The coaches who are Coryell disciples are: Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Al Saunders and Tom Moore.

    Phillip Rivers: 94.5
    Kurt Warner (under Martz): 94.05
    Marc Bulger: 84.4
    Manning (under Tom Moore): 94.9
    Flacco: 86.3

    I think he stacks up around the same place as I was saying. Pretty good for sure, but statistically not quite in the top echelon.

    Also interestingly enough Dan Fouts' career QBR is 80.2. Yeesh. He was pretty terrible up until about 1979... right around when Don Coryell came to town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Nope, it isn't the same. Certainly Cameron is partly to blame but it's hard to blame him for the first Denver game debacle, in which Flacco looked like the same inconsistent guy we had seen over the past 4 years.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post

    The original point being made by Excellector was about how he outplayed Peyton and deserves a contract similar to his. I was originally refuting this idea.

    He'll get a big contract and he deserves one. He just doesn't deserve to be paid better than Peyton just because he outplayed him in a playoff game. You have to look at his whole body of work, which was my original point I think.
    You're also missing the fact that Joe is nearly a decade younger than Peyton and about 6-7 years younger than Brady.

    They're paying for what he has done and what he will do in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post

    Nope, it isn't the same. Certainly Cameron is partly to blame but it's hard to blame him for the first Denver game debacle, in which Flacco looked like the same inconsistent guy we had seen over the past 4 years.
    Haters gonna hate I guess.

    Must suck to live in a world where everything is just not quite enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post

    Thats true. Let's go through some Coryell Qbs in the modern era. The coaches who are Coryell disciples are: Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Al Saunders and Tom Moore.

    Phillip Rivers: 94.5
    Kurt Warner (under Martz): 94.05
    Marc Bulger: 84.4
    Manning (under Tom Moore): 94.9
    Flacco: 86.3

    I think he stacks up around the same place as I was saying. Pretty good for sure, but statistically not quite in the top echelon.

    Also interestingly enough Dan Fouts' career QBR is 80.2. Yeesh. He was pretty terrible up until about 1979... right around when Don Coryell came to town.
    And all of those coaches ran completely different variants.

    You're also not taking into account adjustments and play calling. In reality, you're doing a pretty good job of cherry picking and goal post moving.

    I got news for you duder: Avg QB's dont carry teams through the post season, through two of the top teams in the AFC, and through one of the top rated defenses in the league.

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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    I just hope that its only the guaranteed money thats an issue here and not the actual cap hit. At this point, I'd say Flacco is worth 16.5 a year, if he wins the SB, it goes up to 17.5, hopefully Flacco agrees to that, and then the guaranteed money will be the only issue, as it was with Rice. Because the franchise tag is so huge for the QB, it is probably the most important contract to get done before the deadline in franchise history. If we can get Flaccos deal done, we can enjoy a solid offseason of one or two FA signings, and enjoy a draft of 11 picks.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I just hope that its only the guaranteed money thats an issue here and not the actual cap hit. At this point, I'd say Flacco is worth 16.5 a year, if he wins the SB, it goes up to 17.5, hopefully Flacco agrees to that, and then the guaranteed money will be the only issue, as it was with Rice. Because the franchise tag is so huge for the QB, it is probably the most important contract to get done before the deadline in franchise history. If we can get Flaccos deal done, we can enjoy a solid offseason of one or two FA signings, and enjoy a draft of 11 picks.
    It's all in how they structure it man.

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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    I mean, you can't sit here and say you didn't complain about Joe's offensive struggles (especially on the road), over the past 2 years.

    I'm really glad he turned it up when it mattered but it doesn't change the fact that his yards and TD totals are middle of the pack, mainly because of his inconsistency. I don't think top 10 in yards is THAT much to ask over the course of a regular season (which he has done once in his career). It's not the end all be all, clearly, but it's also not too much to ask from a guy who might get paid 18-20 mil per year.
    His inconsistency, or the inconsistency of the entire offense?




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    That's fair; I could change that statement to: "I don't think it's to much to ask for Flacco to have a QB Rating (which takes into account TD:INT ratio), in the top 10 if we're going to pay him 18-20 mil." Again, he's only done that once.

    I'm not saying Joe isn't a good QB, I'm just saying to pump the brakes a little on "pay him WHATEVER he wants." All I'm saying is pay him in relation to his performance over the past 5 years, not just his performance over the past 4 games.
    Hes only being paid in part because of his past. Its about trajectory which his is on an upward trend due to having a new OC and realizing how the old one was holding him back. being 27 and making a SB and possibly winning, set you apart from the rest of the pack. What youre arguing im not even sure the team is at this point and theyre the ones trying to make a case to pay him less. Holding against him his OC who the team admitted was an issue by firing him mid season is really hurting that argument.
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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    La Canfora seconds Rapoport's sentiment that the durable and relatively young Flacco is more concerned with a high annual salary than upfront guarantees.

    It seems that $20 million per year is Flacco's "magic number." If Newsome comes close to hitting that mark, "the happier (Flacco) will be and the more quickly this long-term deal will get done," La Canfora reported.
    It sounds like Flacco is willing to take less guaranteed to get a higher annual salary.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    It sounds like Flacco is willing to take less guaranteed to get a higher annual salary.
    well thats unfortunate. as the Ravens id much rather have a higher guaranteed than annual salary for the same reasons. Hes young and durable so it doesnt seem as risky to invest in that especially at QB where they typically see out their contracts anyway.
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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Who knows what that really means though.

    What player in their right mind would rather LESS guaranteed money?
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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Nope, it isn't the same. Certainly Cameron is partly to blame but it's hard to blame him for the first Denver game debacle, in which Flacco looked like the same inconsistent guy we had seen over the past 4 years.
    The Ravens offense for the last 5 years has been set up for inconsistency at the QB position. Look at the passes the QB is asked to make. It is deep vertical routes and out routes. This team goes deep more than any other team which is a very low percentage of success. Until Cam was fired there were very few easy passes in the game plans. Easy passes are what allow a QB to get into a rhythm. The Ravens were a run heavy don't turn the ball over offense. They had few weapons at the receiver position. T smith was far from a complete WR last year and he still is not a complete wr. I would love to see the percentage of passing plays that were run out of the I formation with only 1 receiver out on a route. There is not a QB on the planet that would have been consistent in that offense. You can't ask qb to throw 25 times a game a large percentage of the passes being deep balls and in 3rd and long situation and expect consistency. Flacco has been consistent when they open up the offense. All QBs have bad games and bad passes. When you are running a conservative offense those mistakes and bad games look far worse.




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    Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    The Ravens offense for the last 5 years has been set up for inconsistency at the QB position. Look at the passes the QB is asked to make. It is deep vertical routes and out routes. This team goes deep more than any other team which is a very low percentage of success. Until Cam was fired there were very few easy passes in the game plans. Easy passes are what allow a QB to get into a rhythm. The Ravens were a run heavy don't turn the ball over offense. They had few weapons at the receiver position. T smith was far from a complete WR last year and he still is not a complete wr. I would love to see the percentage of passing plays that were run out of the I formation with only 1 receiver out on a route. There is not a QB on the planet that would have been consistent in that offense. You can't ask qb to throw 25 times a game a large percentage of the passes being deep balls and in 3rd and long situation and expect consistency. Flacco has been consistent when they open up the offense. All QBs have bad games and bad passes. When you are running a conservative offense those mistakes and bad games look far worse.
    Agreed. For Joe to have achieved what he's been able to achieve in that train wreck of an offense under Cameron is a minor miracle in itself.




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