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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in



    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Ray saves us 4-5 Mil, which basically would give us enough room for the RFA, ERFA, and rookie pool
    The rookie pool is a very small factor. Once we extend our ERFA offers (around $500k a piece), that will get us to our 51. Only your 1st, 2nd, and early 3rd round picks will make much more than the $500k of the lowest guy on the rule-of-51 ladder.

    The Ravens are drafting 31st or 32nd, so their 1st rounder won't really make much more ($400-$600k) than the guy he'd be replacing on the 51. Our 2nd rounder, being #61 or 62, probably is only going to up the cap # $200-$250k. By the time we get around to drafting our 3rd rounder(s), that 3rd rounder probably isn't going to affect the cap # at all.

    The 2013 draft class, even with 11 picks, probably won't alter our cap by more than $1.5 million in its entirety.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Good post Luke. They will definitely be younger next year, but I wouldn't think worse. There are some good young players that are coming into their own. Not to mention the nucleus we have on offense is rock solid and should be prolific for years to come.

    Given the state of our division, I would expect us to win it again next year.
    Well, I think the Steelers are 2-3 years away from being back in a position to be able to contend for the division. The Bengals and Browns are two ascending teams for sure though.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    If everything goes to plan, it wont be that bad, a lot of players will have to be cut, in my mock offseason document the following players get cut/retire:

    Ray Lewis (obviously already gone)
    Bobbie Williams
    Matt Birk (I think he retires)
    Jameel McClain
    Jacoby Jones
    Vonta Leach
    Brenden Ayanbaedjo

    That saves around $17.34M and will put us in better position, it will allow us to sign one or two solid FAs while re-signing Kruger and Ellerbe (depending on how much they want) and the contracts will be back loaded, or they will be contracts were the first year cap hit is minimal. Yeah you can look at that list and say, yeah that's a significant amount of talent gone, but you have to make these tough choices, I believe we're still a play off team without these players anyway.

    I have Flacco signing a 6 year $100M deal
    Cap hits (There will no doubt be a bunch of incecitives and other shit involved):
    - 2013: $8M
    - 2014: $16M
    - 2015: $20M
    - 2016: $22M
    - 2017: $17M
    - 2018: $17M

    Guaranteed money: $50M

    Paul Kruger signs a 5 year $40M deal, averaging at around $8M a year.

    - 2013: $4M
    - 2014: $8M
    - 2015: $10M
    - 2016: $12M
    - 2017: $6m

    Guaranteed money: $14M

    Dannell Ellerbe signs a 5 year $25M deal, averaging at $5M a year.

    - 2013: $2.5M
    - 2014: $5M
    - 2015: $7M
    - 2016: $7M
    - 2017: $3.5M

    Guaranteed money: $7M

    Bryant McKinnie re-signs for a 1 year $2M deal.

    These I feel are the four important players to re-sign, if we can get this done, along with a solid draft, it would be a very good offseason. I also have Oher and Boldin getting extended.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    If everything goes to plan, it wont be that bad, a lot of players will have to be cut, in my mock offseason document the following players get cut/retire:

    Ray Lewis (obviously already gone)
    Bobbie Williams
    Matt Birk (I think he retires)
    Jameel McClain
    Jacoby Jones
    Vonta Leach
    Brenden Ayanbaedjo

    That saves around $17.34M and will put us in better position, it will allow us to sign one or two solid FAs while re-signing Kruger and Ellerbe (depending on how much they want) and the contracts will be back loaded, or they will be contracts were the first year cap hit is minimal. Yeah you can look at that list and say, yeah that's a significant amount of talent gone, but you have to make these tough choices, I believe we're still a play off team without these players anyway.
    Are you sure that will save that much money? Are you taking dead money into account with those players?
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Are you sure that will save that much money? Are you taking dead money into account with those players?
    Yeah, however, there will be additional dead money for Ray and Jameel carried over into 2014... btw you think this is bad, 2014 is going to be tight, unless the cap limit increases.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    The rookie pool is a very small factor. Once we extend our ERFA offers (around $500k a piece), that will get us to our 51. Only your 1st, 2nd, and early 3rd round picks will make much more than the $500k of the lowest guy on the rule-of-51 ladder.

    The Ravens are drafting 31st or 32nd, so their 1st rounder won't really make much more ($400-$600k) than the guy he'd be replacing on the 51. Our 2nd rounder, being #61 or 62, probably is only going to up the cap # $200-$250k. By the time we get around to drafting our 3rd rounder(s), that 3rd rounder probably isn't going to affect the cap # at all.

    The 2013 draft class, even with 11 picks, probably won't alter our cap by more than $1.5 million in its entirety.
    I also think its almost certain we wont be drafting 11 players, I think we may be seeing an odd year where we trade up in certain rounds. Currently I have us trading up in the 3rd round for Chris Faulk (OT, LSU) and picking Markus Wheaton (WR, Oregon state) with the other 3rd. That gives up a 4th, a 5th and a 6th in my estimation.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    If everything goes to plan, it wont be that bad, a lot of players will have to be cut, in my mock offseason document the following players get cut/retire:

    Ray Lewis (obviously already gone)
    Bobbie Williams
    Matt Birk (I think he retires)
    Jameel McClain
    Jacoby Jones
    Vonta Leach
    Brenden Ayanbaedjo

    That saves around $17.34M and will put us in better position, it will allow us to sign one or two solid FAs while re-signing Kruger and Ellerbe (depending on how much they want) and the contracts will be back loaded, or they will be contracts were the first year cap hit is minimal. Yeah you can look at that list and say, yeah that's a significant amount of talent gone, but you have to make these tough choices, I believe we're still a play off team without these players anyway.
    Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I seem to recall B-more Ravor saying in another thread that Jameel McClain is likely to be kept in part because there's an awful lot of dead money involved in releasing him. Sorry I don't have the exact figures, but do you think McClain will be gone in spite of his dead money hit? I know that many aren't keen on his past performance, but he does provide experience in the middle to go along with Ellerbe (and I really, really hope we can keep Ellerbe).




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post

    Ray Lewis (obviously already gone)
    Bobbie Williams
    Matt Birk (I think he retires)
    Jameel McClain
    Jacoby Jones
    Vonta Leach
    Brenden Ayanbaedjo
    Jones saves $4 million
    Leach saves $3 million ($7 total)
    Williams saves $1.2 million ($8.2)
    McClain saves $1.8 ($10)
    Birk saves $2 ($12)
    Lewis saves $3.7 ($15.7)
    Ayanabdejo saves $940k ($16.6)


    What you have to understand is that is that trimming these 7 contracts off the roster doesn't save the $16.6 though, because you still have to fill their seven spots on the rule of 51 with another player. If you estimate that each of those players will make $500k, that's $3.5 right there. So the savings aren't quite as great. It's not as if dead money occupies one of the 51 slots.

    That's why it might not make a ton of sense to cut Ayanbadejo. You really are only saving $400k.

    That's also why it might not make sense to cut Jameel either. You can either pay him $4.2 towards 2013 or cut him and still pay $2.4 in dead money. If you assume that his replacement spot on the roster will be filled by a cheap rookie, the true savings is only $1.3 million

    If you want to get a true cap savings by cutting a player, add $500 back on to the total. That is the total that is saved if replaced by a rookie/2nd year/ERFA on the 51 salary cap roster.

    Now, the plus side is that when you sign a free agent not on your roster, the cap hit isn't as severe. If you sign Player A and his first year cap # is $3.25 million, the actual increase would be around $2.75 million because his addition to the rule of 51 will push a player who was making $500k off the roster.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I seem to recall B-more Ravor saying in another thread that Jameel McClain is likely to be kept in part because there's an awful lot of dead money involved in releasing him. Sorry I don't have the exact figures, but do you think McClain will be gone in spite of his dead money hit? I know that many aren't keen on his past performance, but he does provide experience in the middle to go along with Ellerbe (and I really, really hope we can keep Ellerbe).
    Exactly. I touched on this in the thread above. Keep him for $4.2 million or cut him and have $2.4 in dead money. It's the type of contract that makes you wonder if cutting him even makes sense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Jones saves $4 million
    Leach saves $3 million ($7 total)
    Williams saves $1.2 million ($8.2)
    McClain saves $1.8 ($10)
    Birk saves $2 ($12)
    Lewis saves $3.7 ($15.7)
    Ayanabdejo saves $940k ($16.6)


    What you have to understand is that is that trimming these 7 contracts off the roster doesn't save the $16.6 though, because you still have to fill their seven spots on the rule of 51 with another player. If you estimate that each of those players will make $500k, that's $3.5 right there. So the savings aren't quite as great. It's not as if dead money occupies one of the 51 slots.

    That's why it might not make a ton of sense to cut Ayanbadejo. You really are only saving $400k.

    That's also why it might not make sense to cut Jameel either. You can either pay him $4.2 towards 2013 or cut him and still pay $2.4 in dead money. If you assume that his replacement spot on the roster will be filled by a cheap rookie, the true savings is only $1.3 million

    If you want to get a true cap savings by cutting a player, add $500 back on to the total. That is the total that is saved if replaced by a rookie/2nd year/ERFA on the 51 salary cap roster.

    Now, the plus side is that when you sign a free agent not on your roster, the cap hit isn't as severe. If you sign Player A and his first year cap # is $3.25 million, the actual increase would be around $2.75 million because his addition to the rule of 51 will push a player who was making $500k off the roster.
    Very nice breakdown and a succinct, accurate, and helpful way of characterizing the frequently-disregarded rule of 51 and its impact on the cap. Ayanbadejo and McClain aren't going anywhere. The rest are viable cuts IMO.

    The bottom line is that it's really not possible to know what the Ravens' offseason plans (and the 2013 roster) will include until Joe Flacco is secured for 2013. There are indications that the team will go all out to lock Flacco up long-term as soon as the new league year opens, and if that happens then we'll be able to work off of that. But if they don't get anything done and need to franchise him, I actually doubt they'll be able to sign a single FA, whether extending their own guys or signing guys off the street.

    The tag is going to completely obliterate their cap space unless and until an extension is reached. If that's late in the offseason or even after the season opener, they're going to miss out on free agency apart from picking up a few scrap heapers after final cuts. That's not necessarily a huge problem, frankly, but as I've been saying all along, the 2013 draft is going to be the most important in a very long time (they're all important, of course.)

    If my "worst-case" scenario of entering the season with Flacco under the tag comes to fruition, they will likely be looking to draftees to compete for starting jobs at several positions: FS, ILB, and LT for sure, and possibly WR as well. This year we had 2 rookies play substantial/starter level snaps: KO and Courtney Upshaw. Next year it could be as many as 4, depending on who wins jobs out of training camp.




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    In fact, I'm going to go through each position on the roster and highlight the Ravens' options without signing a single free agent this offseason and making several of the discussed cuts to free up the QB franchise tag space. This is the "worst case scenario" plan. Starters in bold, training camp competition participants in italics. As I see it, LT, WILL, FS, NT, and FB all look like MAJOR question marks.

    QB - Flacco
    WR - #1 Boldin #2 Torrey #3 Doss (co-starter if we go to primarily 3-wide sets) #4-6 Streeter/Williams/Thompson/Reed/Draft pick
    LT - Draft pick/Oher
    LG - Osemele
    C - Gradkowski
    RG - Yanda
    RT - Oher/draft pick
    RB - Rice/Pierce
    FB - Draft pick/Pitta (as H-Back)/none
    TE - #1 Pitta #2 Dickson/Draft pick

    DE/DT - McPhee/Jones
    NT - Draft pick/Cody
    DT - Ngata
    SAM - Upshaw
    MIKE - McClain
    WILL - Bynes/McClellan/Draft pick
    RUSH - Suggs
    CB - #1 Webb #2 Graham #3 Smith/Brown
    SS - Pollard
    FS - Thompson/Cook/Draft pick

    K - Tucker
    P - Koch
    KR - Thompson/Reed/etc.
    PR - Rainey/Webb/etc.
    Last edited by bmorecareful; 01-28-2013 at 12:42 PM. Reason: forgot TE




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    In fact, I'm going to go through each position on the roster and highlight the Ravens' options without signing a single free agent this offseason and making several of the discussed cuts to free up the QB franchise tag space. This is the "worst case scenario" plan. Starters in bold, training camp competition participants in italics. As I see it, LT, WILL, FS, NT, and FB all look like MAJOR question marks.

    QB - Flacco
    WR - #1 Boldin #2 Torrey #3 Doss (co-starter if we go to primarily 3-wide sets) #4-6 Streeter/Williams/Thompson/Reed/Draft pick
    LT - Draft pick/Oher
    LG - Osemele
    C - Gradkowski
    RG - Yanda
    RT - Oher/draft pick
    RB - Rice/Pierce
    FB - Draft pick/Pitta (as H-Back)/none

    DE/DT - McPhee/Jones
    NT - Draft pick/Cody
    DT - Ngata
    SAM - Upshaw
    MIKE - McClain
    WILL - Bynes/McClellan/Draft pick
    RUSH - Suggs
    CB - #1 Webb #2 Graham #3 Smith/Brown
    SS - Pollard
    FS - Thompson/Cook/Draft pick

    K - Tucker
    P - Koch
    KR - Thompson/Reed/etc.
    PR - Rainey/Webb/etc.
    That defense will need a huge influx of speed in the front 7. That is a pretty slow defense.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    I think there is no way we go into the 2013 season with that defense, the Ravens will address the key areas in FA and the draft, although Bmore did say "worse case scenario".




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    Re: Salary Cap Notes: Corey Graham and Michael Oher cash in

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Jones saves $4 million
    Leach saves $3 million ($7 total)
    Williams saves $1.2 million ($8.2)
    McClain saves $1.8 ($10)
    Birk saves $2 ($12)
    Lewis saves $3.7 ($15.7)
    Ayanabdejo saves $940k ($16.6)


    What you have to understand is that is that trimming these 7 contracts off the roster doesn't save the $16.6 though, because you still have to fill their seven spots on the rule of 51 with another player. If you estimate that each of those players will make $500k, that's $3.5 right there. So the savings aren't quite as great. It's not as if dead money occupies one of the 51 slots.

    That's why it might not make a ton of sense to cut Ayanbadejo. You really are only saving $400k.

    That's also why it might not make sense to cut Jameel either. You can either pay him $4.2 towards 2013 or cut him and still pay $2.4 in dead money. If you assume that his replacement spot on the roster will be filled by a cheap rookie, the true savings is only $1.3 million

    If you want to get a true cap savings by cutting a player, add $500 back on to the total. That is the total that is saved if replaced by a rookie/2nd year/ERFA on the 51 salary cap roster.

    Now, the plus side is that when you sign a free agent not on your roster, the cap hit isn't as severe. If you sign Player A and his first year cap # is $3.25 million, the actual increase would be around $2.75 million because his addition to the rule of 51 will push a player who was making $500k off the roster.
    IDK where i got 17 mill from, I went back and yeah its 16.6. I have mostly rookies replacing those players, with two key FA signings (Terrence Knighton, and Kenny Phillips).

    There will be growing pains no doubt, it will be a much younger team, but I'm not expecting a 2002 type hangover at all, we aren't in that bad of shape IMO.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    That defense will need a huge influx of speed in the front 7. That is a pretty slow defense.
    I agree... my personal suggestion is moving to more of a 4-3 Under front in order to get faster. That would take Cody off the field and move Ngata to 4-3 nose... the big advantage of the 4-3 under is that it's kind of a hybrid of 3-4 and 4-3 personnel so we already have some guys who fit well, and it's all about penetrating the line.

    LDE (5-tech) Upshaw
    NT (1-tech) Ngata
    DT (3-tech) Jones/McPhee
    RDE (9-tech) Suggs
    SAM - McClellan/Hamilton (in the 4-3 under this position plays up on the LOS similarly to more of a 3-4 front, this is the position Von Miller plays in Denver)
    MIKE - McClain
    WILL - Ellerbe if resigned... but need a very speedy Lavonte David type of player if not (Khaseem Greene is a good fit in that spot.)

    You upgrade speed by taking Cody off the field and asking your DTs to penetrate while your SAM and MIKE eat up blocks and your WILL runs free. I'm not sure on the fit for some of those guys... Upshaw isn't a great fit anywhere really but he defends the run well and the 5-tech LDE is the run stopping end. I'm not sure if Art Jones is an explosive enough pass rusher to play 3-tech.. usually you want a Geno Atkins type of quick-twitch guy there. Ngata, a healthy Suggs, and McClellan are all good fits, though.




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