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Thread: Ozzie on Cam's firing
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Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
just my $.02 but I agree with alien^. Harbs was never on the hot seat and the decision was his. Did he have discussions with management and Biscotti? Likely he did but you have to let the head coach make those decisions or how could you ever hold him accountable? Either way it worked out well for all involved... so far
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Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
I agree with this and believe it's spot on. We all remember the year end presser after the 2010 season where Harbaugh proclaimed "Cam under fire" would be a good thing. It seemed he was uncomfortable with calling out his friend even then, and was only doing it at the behest of Biscotti. Biscotti was livid at the showing of the offense (126 total yards, meltdown during the second half, going into turtle mode) during that meltdown in Pittsburgh.
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01-26-2013, 01:02 PM #39Legendary RSR Poster
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I think this post is rather naive.
It was pretty well reported to the contrary. Just because the sideline blow up happened doesn't mean it was all Harbs doing.
In fact, I think it lends itself to the opposite -- Harbs and Cam are friends and knew that any Cam fuck up would lead to him getting the boot, thus his sideline frustration and blow up.
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Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
Not exactly sure how it went down, but I have heard from a reliable source is was a "group decision" dating back to a few weeks to when the Ravens played @ Pittsburgh. They were not happy with Cam's protection package calls in the games after that. Ravens blew lead at home vs Pittsburgh, @ Washington to sacks from the Blind side with empty backfeild sets and no TE help. Then "mysteriously" extra TE used, more RB chipping and a Reid goes to IR and McKinnie surfaces at LT once in "shape" Cameron would NOT take orders from Harbs on protection packages as well as abandoning the "sugar" huddle in which Caldwell and the offense spent the offseason designing. Notice the "sugar huddle on the road in NE gashed the Pats in the 2nd half and they let JOE play football" Cam was up Joe's butt to much and he never could get in rythymn. Ozzie and the FO is totally endorsing Harbs so he has control of lockerroom and doesnt lose respect, but Ravens dont make outlaw decisions they do things in a corporate fashion, but Harbs gets the credit as he should.
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01-26-2013, 04:05 PM #41
Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
Hot seat means you are on notice. And when the owner makes a power move to make a change in the coaching staff because the coach can't or won't, the move alone suggests that the coach isn't doing what he's suppose to do and by default ends up on the hot seat.
Clearly now he is no longer on that seat.
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Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
So Harbs was "on notice" and the proof that he was on notice is an equally unprovable theory that Bisciotti forced the Cam decision.
That's pretty much the definition of circular logic.
If anybody thinks they were going to fire Harbaugh, after five straight playoff appearances, they are seriously deluded.
IMO, the idea of a group decision seems like the most plausible and the most like the org.'s MO.
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01-26-2013, 05:22 PM #43
Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
I like how on one hand people are saying that Biscuit is a very smart owner and will do what's best for the team and in the same breath say Harbs was on the 'hot seat' after doing nothing but winning for five years and getting a text from Bisciotti while down in Denver by a touchdown with minutes left in the game stating that no matter what happens, he was proud of the team. That doesn't quite add up. I'm sure it was a group decision that everyone agreed with because that's what makes the most sense given how the entire front office has run since Steve took over full ownership.
I'm willing to say that it's very possible that perhaps Bisciotti said to John, 'Well man what's going on?! You need to right this ship,' and that forced Harbs to admit what he's probably known for at least a couple of years: Cam wasn't going to change and it was bringing down the entire team starting with his franchise QB. I don't think he said, 'If you don't make the necessary changes (COUGH CAM COUGH) you're done here,'.
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01-26-2013, 06:45 PM #44
Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
The problem here is that there is no evidence to suggest that Bisciotti forced/threatened/coerced/etc: Harbaugh to get rid of Cam. And I doubt very highly with 5 years of winning and already 2 AFCC games that he walked into John's office and said "Fire Cam or else".
Not to mention we've heard NOTHING from the "anonymous" team source on this to guys like Mike Preston. Remember during the whole Billick thing stuff got leaked out to Preston? Nothing from him on this. In fact, I think he has said on the air once or twice that this was Harbaugh's call.
When Bisciotti wanted to make an example of Brian Billick, he had no trouble doing it in front of the media. Ozzie's statement wasn't just a "we don't discuss personnel matters", or "this was a team decision". This was an emphatic "no, we did not have anything to do with Cam's firing".
I just don't buy this one.
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01-27-2013, 12:52 PM #46
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Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
You all know that Tony is a lot closer to the situation then any of us are, right?
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01-27-2013, 06:09 PM #48
Re: Ozzie on Cam's firing
Sure. Closer than Ozzie? Yea...no.
So we have a choice to believe an unnamed "source" developed by a guy who runs a fan website, or the senior front office official of the organization, who went on record. The only way Tony is right and Ozzie wrong, is if Ozzie himself is part of the conspiracy to cover up the truth.
Everyone here is entitled to choose what to believe, obv. I believe Ozzie...guess I'm just being naive.
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