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    Harbs is a genius for saving McKinnie until the playoffs. ... and getting rid of Cam at the right time
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    Re: McKinnie?

    Before this whole thread goes off the rails, Big Mac already answered this. After the Colts game he told reporters that he was not able to start earlier in the year because A. He had a hip pointer, and B. He had to prove to the coaches that he was motivated and willing. Once A cleared up, he did B, and was inserted into the offensive lineup.

    Controversy over. Let's try to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Before this whole thread goes off the rails, Big Mac already answered this. After the Colts game he told reporters that he was not able to start earlier in the year because A. He had a hip pointer, and B. He had to prove to the coaches that he was motivated and willing. Once A cleared up, he did B, and was inserted into the offensive lineup.

    Controversy over. Let's try to move on.
    I would tend to agree with this, but I'm not sure if Cam liked him anyway.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Before this whole thread goes off the rails, Big Mac already answered this. After the Colts game he told reporters that he was not able to start earlier in the year because A. He had a hip pointer, and B. He had to prove to the coaches that he was motivated and willing. Once A cleared up, he did B, and was inserted into the offensive lineup.

    Controversy over. Let's try to move on.
    Yeah, that's been brought up a trillion times but his words are meaningless around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I would tend to agree with this, but I'm not sure if Cam liked him anyway.
    Cam liked him enough to start him last year all year long.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Yeah, that's been brought up a trillion times but his words are meaningless around here.
    I was as hard on him as anyone, but it's clear that when he's physically right, and mentally sound, he's the best tackle on our team. Is it so hard to believe that the coaches wanted him to be in the right shape mentally and physically before they risked putting him out there? I swear, some people need to remember the old medical mantra; When you hear hoof beats, look for horses, not zebras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Right, but how many games did he participate in for that $2.2 million? While I'm glad we have him for the playoff run, he certainly got paid well for the games he was in... Bc
    I don't think McKinnie is going to see it that way. He wanted to play, but the decision was made to bench him. It is possible he comes back, but I doubt that he will given that another team is likely to offer him a bigger contract. McKinnie has bills that he needs to pay, so I don't see him accepting less money to stay here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Before this whole thread goes off the rails, Big Mac already answered this. After the Colts game he told reporters that he was not able to start earlier in the year because A. He had a hip pointer, and B. He had to prove to the coaches that he was motivated and willing. Once A cleared up, he did B, and was inserted into the offensive lineup.

    Controversy over. Let's try to move on.
    Everyone is saying what they need to say to maintain harmony. Nobody's interests are served by having a controversy over this topic at this time. What really happened will come out after McKinnie signs with another team after this season is over.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Yes, he does seem fat(er) than before. He's always been big, but he does look like he;s carrying more around the stomach area than he has before.

    I'd like you to point out though where any one talked about his effectiveness or lack of...
    I'll be the first to admit I questioned Ngata's effectiveness at times this season, and I was right to do so. He was not productive for stretches this year. However, he's turned it on majorly in the postseason. It could be a result of added rest, or extra motivation, but whatever it is, he has performed at a high level the last 3 games. Let's hope he keeps it up--I think he will.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I'll be the first to admit I questioned Ngata's effectiveness at times this season, and I was right to do so. He was not productive for stretches this year. However, he's turned it on majorly in the postseason. It could be a result of added rest, or extra motivation, but whatever it is, he has performed at a high level the last 3 games. Let's hope he keeps it up--I think he will.

    In the regular season I was on his side. I saw lots of people claiming he wasn't doing anything,not even being doubled teamed, which was not true at all.

    He has been great in the post season too though. We need him to clog up the middle big time next Sunday. If our lb's and edge rushers have to worry about the middle too, the read option will kill us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I don't think McKinnie is going to see it that way. He wanted to play, but the decision was made to bench him. It is possible he comes back, but I doubt that he will given that another team is likely to offer him a bigger contract. McKinnie has bills that he needs to pay, so I don't see him accepting less money to stay here.
    I didn't say McKinnie would see it that way, but I believe the Ravens admin does. If the Ravens win the Super Bowl (and I think they will), and McKinnie moves on to another team or retirement, then "nice to know you Bryant." IMO if he wants to come back to Baltimore, then he will have to play for less than he thinks he is worth... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Yes, he does seem fat(er) than before. He's always been big, but he does look like he;s carrying more around the stomach area than he has before.

    I'd like you to point out though where any one talked about his effectiveness or lack of...
    Yeah, me too. Nobody said he was ineffective at all. Just that he's fatter than he's ever been.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    I didn't say McKinnie would see it that way, but I believe the Ravens admin does. If the Ravens win the Super Bowl (and I think they will), and McKinnie moves on to another team or retirement, then "nice to know you Bryant." IMO if he wants to come back to Baltimore, then he will have to play for less than he thinks he is worth... Bc
    Fair enough. Considering the number of teams that have complete garbage LTs, I think McKinnie is going to get offers from several other teams. I don't see him seriously negotiating with the Ravens, for anything other than a chance to drive his price up elsewhere.




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    Interesting info: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...l-after-fight/



    Three years ago, McKinnie was booted from the Miami Pro Bowl after not showing up for practice the Friday before the game. He forfeited his $22,500 game check, and he was required to reimburse the NFL nearly $4,300 in expenses.




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    It's clear McKinnie is still capable of playing LT at a high level. Very few knowledgeable folks have ever doubted that. The knock has always been his motivation (or lack thereof).

    So what's changed? Getting out of the doghouse (Harbs' or Cam's)? Why was he there in the first place? Out of shape? Or just not willing to work very hard in practice?

    Suppose he was out of shape at the beginning of the season--why has that changed now? The chance for a ring? Sending Ray off in style? Finally "seeing the light"?

    Conjecture: McKinnie has never been as "out of shape" as scuttlebut suggested. He got himself into the doghouse because he doesn't like to practice and because even so he's still the team's best LT; Oher is busting his butt in practice but simply lacks (at least at this point) the ability to play LT at a more-than-middling level. For them to start McKinnie in those circumstances would give the lie to Harbaugh's dearly-held dictum that "you play as you practice." It would send a message to the rest of the team that they really don't have to bust their asses on the practice field so long as they're better than the next guy on the depth chart. It would, in short, collapse team discipline in short order. So the team went with the 5 guys who looked best in practice, shuffling them around to try & make it work.

    Fortuitously, Jah Reid got injured, which left them the choice of inserting Bobbie Williams or Harewood at LG--neither having played well this season--or starting McKinnie in the current configuration. With the playoffs approaching & Ray announcing his retirement, it gave the coaching staff an opening to set the groundwork for the current OL without abandoning the play-as-you-practice mantra: by appealing to Oher's sense of team-as-family to move back to RT (as giving the team the best chance to win) & meanwhile persuading McKinnie to make more of an effort in practice (for the sake of a ring & his old school chum #52). Which leaves everyone happy--for the moment.

    For the long term, the problem is that when the clock strikes midnight on February 3, the coach turns back into a pumpkin & the horses are house mice again. IOW the extraordinary circumstances go away. And I don't think McKinnie can stay with the team once they do. He's almost certain to go back to his devil-may-care ways, which raises the same dilemma I outlined above. And Oher is not going to take permanent return to RT well--not unless he's also paid as an LT, which there's no cap space to permit--& thus would likely be gone at the end of next season. If they tried to keep the current starting OL together, they would likely be looking for two new starting tackles at the end of next season.

    But it's all academic: Some team out there is going to say, We need a decent LT & we don't give a rat's ass how he practices if he can play that well on game day--& we'll take our chances with locker-room cohesion. Maybe it will work out for them, maybe not--but in any case they'll offer McKinnie more than the Ravens can afford anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Before this whole thread goes off the rails, Big Mac already answered this. After the Colts game he told reporters that he was not able to start earlier in the year because A. He had a hip pointer, and B. He had to prove to the coaches that he was motivated and willing. Once A cleared up, he did B, and was inserted into the offensive lineup.

    Controversy over. Let's try to move on.
    JO said towards the end of the regular season McKinney obviously isn't hitting the weight room and doing enough to say
    to HARBs, Oher is struggling, I'm ready to take over.

    Then CAM is gone and McKinney is inserted into LT and Oher moved to RT and KO to RG and we've been winning
    ever since. I love re-watching the tape and watching Mckinney and KO destroy their opponents in Denver and
    Boston. We won both those games in the trenches.




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