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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season



    I like how Flacco is now willing to throw the ball up if Boldin is covered one on one, and let him out physical the db for the ball. I hardly ever saw that in the Cameron offense.

    I can't believe we stuck by Cameron for so long. He had to have been one of the worse offensive coordinators in the league. There is no chance any intelligent franchise hires him, except maybe as a running backs coach.




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I wonder why Cam seemed to know how to use Mason...but not Boldin?
    Cam trusted Joe to throw the outs to a WR with reliable hands who ran precise routes. Partly IMO because Flacco's arm strength made those throws very low-risk. (I remember one sideline pass in the 2008 Cowboys game where the Dallas DB broke on the ball thinking he had an easy pick-6 & it rocketed right past him into Mason's hands.) He didn't trust him to throw over the middle, mainly (IMO) because of a couple of high-profile INTs where Joe didn't seem to see the coverage (I remember when they were driving for the go-ahead score vs the Colts in 2009 & Flacco tries to force the ball to Rice with no less than 3 Colts right in front of #27, & Brackett picked it).

    Cam never trusted Joe. You could make the case that in years past (1) the offense was terrified of blowing games in which the defense had played well enough to win, & (2) he never knew when Good Joe would morph into Bad Joe & do precisely that. That 11/09 loss to the Colts is a classic example--the D picks Manning 3 times but the O can't get into the EZ & comes up short in crunch time with that incomprehensible pick.

    What brought it all to a head this year was the combination of a tough schedule & injuries which made the defense much less reliable. Playing not to lose when on offense was no longer an option; they were going to have to rise or fall with Flacco, but Cam never trusted him enough to really let him loose. Caldwell trusts Joe & makes the adjustments to let him do what he says he can do & wants to do.




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    Cameron might be the General McClellan of the NFL: great at organizing and setting up a offense (army), but terrible on gameday (the battlefield).
    LOL, I like this. I can just see Cam Cameron as general during Antietam or some such:

    Aide: "General Cameron, the rebels are covering both our flanks, but the middle is wide open for exploitation. We should make an adjustment to our battle plan and attack the middle of the battlefield".

    Cam: "Meh. Adjustments are overrated. Shut up and stick with the plan. Have Colonel Flacco continue to press the flanks at all costs."

    Northern Newspapers next day: "Colonel Flacco's inconsistency and poor execution caused the Union Army to lose it's third straight battle yesterday."




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    I don't think it is halftime adjustments. In the Broncos game they made offensive adjustments that nearly cost them the game. Joe lobbied for them to open up the offense.

    In my opinion there are a couple of things that happened:
    1. Caldwell got Joe moving around. Whether moving the pocket or getting him outside of the pocket. For whatever reason it has really improved Flacco's pocket presence. He steps up better than he ever has.
    2. He made some subtle changes to the routes. Like the TD pass to Torrey to open the Broncos game.
    3. Oline - Playing McKinnie and bringing in Castillo as a consultant. Not sure when that all happened but the line has been much better.
    4. The offense has been most successful when they have spread out the defense and stopped using the fullback.
    I agree with this; subtle but enough to make a difference. And as far as halftime adjustments, it seems more likely that the gameplan called for a conservative (keep it close) first half and wide open passing 2nd half. They went from run, run, punt to pass pass pass.
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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    LOL, I like this. I can just see Cam Cameron as general during Antietam or some such:

    Aide: "General Cameron, the rebels are covering both our flanks, but the middle is wide open for exploitation. We should make an adjustment to our battle plan and attack the middle of the battlefield".

    Cam: "Meh. Adjustments are overrated. Shut up and stick with the plan. Have Colonel Flacco continue to press the flanks at all costs."

    Northern Newspapers next day: "Colonel Flacco's inconsistency and poor execution caused the Union Army to lose it's third straight battle yesterday."
    lol had to chuckle well done




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Cam trusted Joe to throw the outs to a WR with reliable hands who ran precise routes. Partly IMO because Flacco's arm strength made those throws very low-risk. (I remember one sideline pass in the 2008 Cowboys game where the Dallas DB broke on the ball thinking he had an easy pick-6 & it rocketed right past him into Mason's hands.) He didn't trust him to throw over the middle, mainly (IMO) because of a couple of high-profile INTs where Joe didn't seem to see the coverage (I remember when they were driving for the go-ahead score vs the Colts in 2009 & Flacco tries to force the ball to Rice with no less than 3 Colts right in front of #27, & Brackett picked it).

    Cam never trusted Joe. You could make the case that in years past (1) the offense was terrified of blowing games in which the defense had played well enough to win, & (2) he never knew when Good Joe would morph into Bad Joe & do precisely that. That 11/09 loss to the Colts is a classic example--the D picks Manning 3 times but the O can't get into the EZ & comes up short in crunch time with that incomprehensible pick.

    What brought it all to a head this year was the combination of a tough schedule & injuries which made the defense much less reliable. Playing not to lose when on offense was no longer an option; they were going to have to rise or fall with Flacco, but Cam never trusted him enough to really let him loose. Caldwell trusts Joe & makes the adjustments to let him do what he says he can do & wants to do.
    Excellent analysis. The prior offensive inconsistency has to be relegated to several factors: Flacco's inconsistency when he feels pressure due to a porous offensive line, he panics under pressure; Flacco showing poor leadership skills (showing poor time-management skills and taking control of the offense in crucial situations) resultant from Cameron's lack of trust, his iron-clad control, and the OC's inability to analyze defensive vulnerabilities; The poor offensive line play limited Flacco's confidence to move around in the pocket; Flacco had a tendency to hold onto the ball too long and made himself vulnerable to sacks and hits because of a poor offensive line; and a big issue was Cameron not knowing when to adjust to the run game when it became obvious that bad-Flacco was on the field. Cameron stubbornly forced a passing game when it was not working as a result of poor offensive line play and/or Flacco overthrowing or under-throwing open receivers. Flacco's confidence has recently been elevated as a direct result of a better offensive line. Flacco is now moving in the pocket and is getting time to go through progressions and is hitting an open receiver over the middle when another wide receiver (Smith) is double-covered. The rest is history.
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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    LOL, I like this. I can just see Cam Cameron as general during Antietam or some such:

    Aide: "General Cameron, the rebels are covering both our flanks, but the middle is wide open for exploitation. We should make an adjustment to our battle plan and attack the middle of the battlefield".

    Cam: "Meh. Adjustments are overrated. Shut up and stick with the plan. Have Colonel Flacco continue to press the flanks at all costs."

    Northern Newspapers next day: "Colonel Flacco's inconsistency and poor execution caused the Union Army to lose it's third straight battle yesterday."




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    Caldwell was very passive in much of the fourth quarter and overtime in Denver, and in the first half in Boston. It was Harbaugh and Flacco who said at halftime Sunday that the offense had to be opened up. Caldwell then did as they suggested. The results were great.
    Last edited by OriAl; 01-23-2013 at 04:01 PM.
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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by OriAl View Post
    Caldwell was very passive in much of the fourth quarter and overtime in Denver, and in the first half in Boston. It was Harbaugh and Flacco who said at halftime Sunday that the offense had to be opened up. Caldwell then did as they suggested.

    Listening to your Head Coach and starting QB are very good attributes. Apparently Caldwell is more flexible than Cam, therefore more successful... Bc




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Listening to your Head Coach and starting QB are very good attributes. Apparently Caldwell is more flexible than Cam, therefore more successful... Bc
    That's a good attribute to have.
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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    We can definitely see it in the red zone. All three of Flacco's touchdowns against the Pats were in the middle of the end zone. With Cam calling the plays, we usually saw fade or out routes, and never a quick pattern. We have big, strong receivers, especially Q and Pitta. We didn't use those strengths under Cam.
    We got TD's out of those Red Zone visits - with Cam, more than likely, we would have been kicking field goals.




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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    Quote Originally Posted by Purplenemesis View Post
    I like how Flacco is now willing to throw the ball up if Boldin is covered one on one, and let him out physical the db for the ball. I hardly ever saw that in the Cameron offense.

    I can't believe we stuck by Cameron for so long. He had to have been one of the worse offensive coordinators in the league. There is no chance any intelligent franchise hires him, except maybe as a running backs coach.
    wow wow WOW!! Lets not get carried away here! i was just as happy as anyone else when he got fired but lets not forget this guy won more than he lost. He is definitely not "one of the worse oc in the league". We just had high expectations around here and his production or lack there of at times, seemed to keep us from getting over the hump to that next level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything_Ravens View Post
    wow wow WOW!! Lets not get carried away here! i was just as happy as anyone else when he got fired but lets not forget this guy won more than he lost. He is definitely not "one of the worse oc in the league". We just had high expectations around here and his production or lack there of at times, seemed to keep us from getting over the hump to that next level.
    Cameron was one of the worst play callers in the nfl. I wouldn't say worst oc because he could put together an offense.


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    Re: How Jim Caldwell Elevated Joe Flacco to Elite Status and Saved Our Season

    @trailhiker85: Having just reread James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom (IMO the best 1-volume history of the Civil War era) I commend you for a pithy & trenchant analogy.

    @Firststater: Improved OL play (leading to greater QB trust & comfort) is certainly key to Flacco's ascension, but I would wonder how much of that turns on play-calling that provides Joe with faster-developing options & keeps the opposing pass-rush honest. Like most everyone here I will be curious to get the scoop on the OL reshuffle--was McKinnie out of shape, or unmotivated, or "in the doghouse," & what (& whose) actions finally got him back into the starting lineup & playing to (near) his potential. (I don't think we'll see the real story on that for months, if not years, but it will be interesting whenever.)




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    Can we make all the Cam apologists in the media(99% of the media) and posters here wear a scarlet letter?




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