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    Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy



    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Oh man. I know that story well.

    One of the Allies worse mistakes in history. A lot of Aussies go there every year.

    Mel Gibson made a movie about it. Complete slaughter. I couldn't watch it.

    We lost the Lexington air craft carrier at Coral Seal but it took out two Jap carriers. They were on the way to Australia.
    The Aussies at the time were greatly relieved the Japs were stopped and called it the turning point of the war for them.
    How quickly they forget.
    Eric Bogle wrote a great song about that battle: And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda. "...and when I looked at the place where me legs used to be/ I never knew there was worse things than dyin'...
    Here's a great version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg




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    Cool Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_Raven View Post
    I dont blame him haha, because Ive never heard of it or learnt it during high school. Next time you see him, mention the Landing at Gallipoli (Turkey). That was the one where the Aussie soldiers were sent to the wrong beach and were annihilated by the enemy stationed at the top of the hill/cliff. Its quite similar to the American one if im not mistakened, its in various video games :P
    Aussie_Raven I knew about Gallipoli long before the movie came out (but I'm also an old Fart). Did you know that even with the Turks holding the high ground from the very beginning they still suffered more casualties than the Aussies did (still doesn't remove the fact that the landings were a disaster).




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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_Raven View Post
    I dont blame him haha, because Ive never heard of it or learnt it during high school. Next time you see him, mention the Landing at Gallipoli (Turkey). That was the one where the Aussie soldiers were sent to the wrong beach and were annihilated by the enemy stationed at the top of the hill/cliff. Its quite similar to the American one if im not mistakened, its in various video games :P
    Wasn't just aussies sent there...

    Typical Aussie - conveniently leaves out the kiwis when talking to others. 'Tis all good - so long as you guys keep Russell Crowe off the +64 we're good.
    Self appointed Ravens SuperFan in the southern hemisphere/New Zealand.




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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Wasn't just aussies sent there...

    Typical Aussie - conveniently leaves out the kiwis when talking to others. 'Tis all good - so long as you guys keep Russell Crowe off the +64 we're good.
    My apologies :P For the Americans here, it was the ANZACs - Australian and New Zealand Army Corps.

    Also Gallipoli is similar to the American Landing of Omaha beach is it not? I think its called D-Day? I see it so many times in computer games.




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    Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_Raven View Post
    My apologies :P For the Americans here, it was the ANZACs - Australian and New Zealand Army Corps.

    Also Gallipoli is similar to the American Landing of Omaha beach is it not? I think its called D-Day? I see it so many times in computer games.
    Haha just razzin you mate.


    BTW, what are your plans for Superbowl Monday? Not sure what state/territory you'r on, but from what I understand it'll be around 10:30am your side (if you're NSW)?

    Had to take the day off work - could not miss this day (did the same for the AFCCG).
    Self appointed Ravens SuperFan in the southern hemisphere/New Zealand.




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    Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_Raven View Post
    My apologies :P For the Americans here, it was the ANZACs - Australian and New Zealand Army Corps.

    Also Gallipoli is similar to the American Landing of Omaha beach is it not? I think its called D-Day? I see it so many times in computer games.
    Yea it was called D-Day, Operation Overlord and was very similar with 2 major differences.

    1 - We won that battle but with heavy casualties about 10,000. Even the GErmans kept saying how can they keep coming. They keep coming and coming. The irony was the Germans
    really believed God was on their side and it was even inscribed on their belt buckles in
    German. The Longest Day movie brought out that point.

    2 - They landed on the right beach.

    The bad part came with our paratroopers dropped behind the lines, the 101st Airborne suffered 50% casualties. MOst of them were dead before they hit the ground. The LOngest Day aldo bears that out. The drops were made off target too so that might have been similar to your battle.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_on_D-Day
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 01-23-2013 at 09:32 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Yea it was called D-Day, Operation Overlord and was very similar with 2 major differences.

    1 - We won that battle but with heavy casualties about 10,000. Even the GErmans kept saying how can they keep coming. They keep coming and coming. The irony was the Germans
    really believed God was on their side and it was even inscribed on their belt buckles in
    German. The Longest Day movie brought out that point.

    2 - They landed on the right beach.

    The bad part came with our paratroopers dropped behind the lines, the 101st Airborne suffered 50% casualties. MOst of them were dead before they hit the ground. The LOngest Day aldo bears that out. The drops were made off target too so that might have been similar to your battle.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_on_D-Day
    From what I understand; Gallipoli - the Brits had the "genius" idea of sending ANZACS into (literally) an uphill fight with an entrenched side. To make it worse, they had the navy shelling indiscriminately at anything resulting in friendlies casualties.
    Self appointed Ravens SuperFan in the southern hemisphere/New Zealand.




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    Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy

    Yes. It was a worse up hill fight than the Little Round Top at Gettysburgh.
    High ground will win it every time plus the friendly fire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Haha just razzin you mate.


    BTW, what are your plans for Superbowl Monday? Not sure what state/territory you'r on, but from what I understand it'll be around 10:30am your side (if you're NSW)?

    Had to take the day off work - could not miss this day (did the same for the AFCCG).
    I live in Sydney so it will be 10:30am. Luckily I am on my Uni break so I will be at home chilling. Hopefully for the both of us, it will be more than just a normal ordinary day




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    This quote sums up my feelings, except for the fact that the Patriots got caught cheating back then: "When we beat the Colts, we outplayed them. Same thing with what happened with the Ravens outplaying us Sunday. People can rationalize it however they want to. It's not like the Ravens employed a new tactic we've never seen before. They just did it better than anybody. And our guys just didn't meet the challenge."
    "When questioned, the Elders explained that they were in search of magical powers. However, they're actually searching for the whereabouts of a certain ring. This ring is a legendary treasure that long ago was known to exist"




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    We respect Squeelers as much as we hate em.
    This statement says it all!!! We are far better playing in our division to go against anybody in the league...




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    Re: Mangii: Ravens copied Pat's strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    From what I understand; Gallipoli - the Brits had the "genius" idea of sending ANZACS into (literally) an uphill fight with an entrenched side. To make it worse, they had the navy shelling indiscriminately at anything resulting in friendlies casualties.
    The commander of the Ottoman troops in the invasion area was one Mustafa Kemal Pasha, who said to the 57th Infantry Regiment there, "Men, I am not ordering you to attack. I am ordering you to die. In the time that it takes us to die, other forces and commanders can come and take our place." And many of them did--more than 87,000 in the end. But the fact that the Ottomans held off the ANZACs made Kemal famous in the Ottoman Empire as one of the few successful commanders. (FTR Kemal's own life was saved by a pocket watch which stopped a bullet to his chest.) Years later Kemal organized the resistance to the Allies' attempted dismembering of the Ottoman empire & founded the modern state of Turkey. Years later at his insistence the Turkish national assembly decreed that as part of his/their effort to drag their nation into the modern world, everyone in Turkey had to take a last name--& the assembly insisted that Kemal be known as Ataturk, "Father of the Turks."

    Another quote from Kemal, at the dedication of the Gelibolu/Gallipoli Battlefields memorial in 1934. which is posted there, and on monuments in Canberra, Australia, and Tarakena Bay south of Wellington, New Zealand:
    Heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives! You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
    One of my few regrets after visiting Turkey in 1996 is not having made time to go to Gallipoli--I intend to rectify that when I go back.

    (Yeh, I know, TMI, but WTH...)




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