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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?



    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Go look at how Seattle dominated them with Kaepernick, and how St. Louis beat them once and tied them once - both also with Kaepernick. Somehow those teams were able to do it, and in the two losses, SF was held to 13 points each time.
    Was just going to say the same thing. I'm thinking they play contain on the outsides and force Kap up the middle running or passing. Basically a gradual tightening of the pocket rather than an allout rush, if that makes any sense.




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I am definitely nervous about the read-option though. It takes discipline and quick thinking and reactions to defend.
    I'm not. theres a reason it's still in college and not in the NFL.

    Remember the last time some team tried some cutesy little BS from College(Wildcat). yeah how'd that work for them? The only reason the Niners are here is because they started this towards the end of the season. We have enough gametape now. All the respect to Jim and all but Ryan and the Failclowns aren't Flacco and the Ravens.




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    First, the "pistol" is a formation, not an overall offensive scheme.

    It's basically a shotgun formation but the QB is closer to the line. The RB is lined up directly behind the QB typically, although you will sometimes see the RB to the side.

    The weakness of the pistol comes in two areas. The line cannot pull to either side because the QB is closer to the line than in a traditional shotgun. Second, the RB is a slight disadvantage since now he has to run around the QB than on to the line. So the key on running plays is to stay to your assignment and make CK hand the ball off.

    The weakness in the passing game is simple. Rush up the middle and the outside LB's simply play containment on the edges.

    This isn't a new formation and I am willing to bet Harbs knows all about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Brady won his first SB at the same spot in his career as Kaepernick is in now (his 2nd year after not playing his 1st year).

    That said, Kaepernick has played less games in his 2nd year and isn't remotely the same style QB as Brady, plus the Pats first SB win was more a product of their defense (other than a semi-clutch late short FG drive by Brady)

    I am definitely nervous about the read-option though. It takes discipline and quick thinking and reactions to defend.
    We have two weeks to work on it, and Tyrod to practice against........either way, we aren't going to shut them down totally, or need to, because i think we can score on them.
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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    We have two weeks to work on it, and Tyrod to practice against........either way, we aren't going to shut them down totally, or need to, because i think we can score on them.
    Matt Ryan threw for almost 400 yards against them.




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Matt Ryan threw for almost 400 yards against them.
    Yes, but he's Matty Ice, the bestest quarterback from the 2008 draft, especially in the post season. The guy is elite.




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yes, but he's Matty Ice, the bestest quarterback from the 2008 draft, especially in the post season. The guy is elite.
    Yeah you're right. I doubt Flacco can match the Elite Matty Ice. lol




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Yes, but he's Matty Ice, the bestest quarterback from the 2008 draft, especially in the post season. The guy is elite.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Matt Ryan threw for almost 400 yards against them.
    Yeah, Julio Jones was wearing them out, and the Niners had almost no pass rush. I kept watching that Niner DL, especially Soapoanga get no push at all......Ryan had all day until the very end really. They almost ever ran any kind of scheme at all. It look like Grandpa Matti at his worst. I really think we can work Soapoang over.
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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    We have two weeks to work on it, and Tyrod to practice against........either way, we aren't going to shut them down totally, or need to, because i think we can score on them.
    didnt we use dennis dixon to practice for rg tres?




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN View Post
    Yeah, Julio Jones was wearing them out, and the Niners had almost no pass rush. I kept watching that Niner DL, especially Soapoanga get no push at all......Ryan had all day until the very end really. They almost ever ran any kind of scheme at all. It look like Grandpa Matti at his worst. I really think we can work Soapoang over.
    Aldon Smith disappeared too. He didn't do much at all in the pass rush department.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    I'm not. theres a reason it's still in college and not in the NFL.

    Remember the last time some team tried some cutesy little BS from College(Wildcat). yeah how'd that work for them? The only reason the Niners are here is because they started this towards the end of the season. We have enough gametape now. All the respect to Jim and all but Ryan and the Failclowns aren't Flacco and the Ravens.
    Not sure I agree about the gimmick-nature of the read-option. The Wildcat is a gimmick, because having a running back take the snap means it is a run. The read-option using a QB who cannot throw the ball well (i.e. most college QBs) is also not going to work in the NFL. But having a QB who can run the read option but also throw the ball decently is a big problem for a defense, not simply a gimmick. That is until the QB runs, gets tackled and gets concussed or blows out his knee (i.e. RG III), which is another reason why we haven't seen it much in the NFL. But the rules are changing making the odds of injury less, plus, up until such an injury it is still tough to defend.

    I can assure you the Ravens are going to spend a LOT of time scheming to stop the read-option run, along with play-action off of that look.




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    +1 to Haloti92's post

    I'm sure NFL teams will be better prepared to stop these kinds of offenses next season, but that doesn't mean they will become nearly irrelevant as the wildcard has. Haloti92 pointed out why. You keep the ball in your QBs hands, so you can still throw.

    There's a lot of talented young QBs having success this way. If nothing else it could be an effective way for more athletic QBs to transition into the NFL until they develop more effective pocket passing skills.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    +1 to Haloti92's post

    I'm sure NFL teams will be better prepared to stop these kinds of offenses next season, but that doesn't mean they will become nearly irrelevant as the wildcard has. Haloti92 pointed out why. You keep the ball in your QBs hands, so you can still throw.

    There's a lot of talented young QBs having success this way. If nothing else it could be an effective way for more athletic QBs to transition into the NFL until they develop more effective pocket passing skills.
    i wanna see what the eagles O looks like next year




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    Re: how do we stop 49ers vaunted pistol offense?

    Our defense is too smart to get taken by this type of offense. RGIII didn't do it on the run and neither will Kaepernick.

    Ray knows the game better than anyone...and Reed is a close 2nd in regards to studying the films and knowing what will happen. Disciplined Defense is a mainstay in Baltimore....shouldn't be any different for the SB.




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